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re: Tips on being a supervisor/manager/leader

Posted on 2/12/14 at 10:10 pm to
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 10:10 pm to
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About 8 months ago, I got promoted within my department at work to be a Group Leader




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I'm only 24 and I have guys under me thats been doing this 30+ years to my 2 years. So, I can understand why I'm not respected in that regard.


As a team lead, your job is basically to accurately represent what the customer (your higher ups) wants so your team members understand what is needed. And it works the other way too - you have to accurately communicate what your team can do for who you report to.

If you can do this you'll get respect from both sides.

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help my group become more efficient and produce quality work.


Ah, there's a challenge. Part of representing your team to who you report to is making sure you have a good team. That's a whole 'nother subject, but you sometimes will have to be careful to ease out some people. And invest heavily in the good ones. Don't get attached to individuals, get attached to your team and whoever happens to be in it. There's a difference.
Posted by SATNIGHTS
Red Stick
Member since Jan 2008
2238 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 10:10 pm to
Posted by CajunSoldier225
Member since Aug 2011
8990 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 10:11 pm to
Direct approach. Mean what you say, say what you mean. I'm military though so our tact is different than a civvies approach to a subject.

Leadership is simply providing direction, purpose, motivation. If you can get someone to complete a crap task for you and their proud to do it, that's when you'll know your leadership style is effective.

Also, ask the veterans of your group for advice. Don't tell them this is how it must be. If you can develop a team concept and have everyone buy into that team idea by applying everyone's ideas in little ways to develop your concept, you'll be more successful and your team will definitely be stronger than most others.

Posted by AutoYes_Clown
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2012
5174 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 10:13 pm to
Don't: Fall into the "friend zone" managing style. You can't manage friends.

Do: Listen and seek elder's opinions. I started managing at a pretty young age as well (at age 24 I was managing guys with 30+ yrs experience). I can say the #1 characteristic about me that has been most successful is me seeking opinions and advice from elders. It started with me bullshitting and trying to create a sense of worth in employees but I quickly found that was evil and there was a much more valuable use. You are not above any member of a team. Let people specialize and manage their specialties.
Posted by Mizzoufan26
Vacaville CA
Member since Sep 2012
17216 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 10:21 pm to
Rely on the experts you have. You realize you have people in the job that know the day to day better than you and have been doing the job much longer. Use their input as much as possible.

Really the number one thing I can think of
Posted by BayouBandit24
Member since Aug 2010
16555 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 10:22 pm to
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I'm only 24 and I have guys under me thats been doing this 30+ years to my 2 years. So, I can understand why I'm not respected in that regard.


That is a tough spot to be in. They have to respect you, if not you can't be a leader.
A manager and a leader are two different things.

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mental exercises that I could do to boost my confidence


you got promoted to the position, you obviously do something right. Reassure yourself of that.

Age doesn't matter. Be confident, but never afraid to ask the older guys for guidance. They will like that immensely. Don't be afraid to go with your judgments though if you truly believe you are right.
Posted by chesty
Flap City C.C.
Member since Oct 2012
12731 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 10:22 pm to
Let them run it and be the mouth piece with upper management. Ask questions when needed and try to learn and look after them.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
32398 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 10:23 pm to
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Don't ask them to do anything they haven't seen you do.


I think this is overrated. I guess it depends on what career path you are in, though. My boss is a leader, but I've never seen him do what I do. I don't doubt that he could do it, because he has a proven track record, but his job isn't my job. His job is to create a vision, and our (my coworkers and I) job is to carry out that vision through our work. This might not make sense in your field, but it really wouldn't make sense for him to carry out my job.
Posted by DesertTiger44
Fayetteville, NC
Member since Mar 2011
227 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 10:23 pm to
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You manage things. You lead people.

Praise in public, coach in private. Recognize your top performers, eliminate your bottom 10 %. Cut the dead weight.

Build trust, build loyalty, build unity. Eliminate "I" from your vocabulary and replace with "We."




This is solid right here.
Posted by mikrit54
Robeline
Member since Oct 2013
8664 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 10:27 pm to
For supervisors and subordinates...

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My problem is with supervisors who bullshite me and expect loyalty in return. The essence of loyalty is reciprocity. If you're loyal to me I'll be loyal to you. bullshite me and I'll bullshite you. That's the contract.
Posted by LSUandAU
Key West, FL & Malibu (L.A.), CA
Member since Apr 2009
4948 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 10:29 pm to
With consistency and fairness, win over the leader among the 6...he will then become a positive center of influence, in support of you, within the group.

Make sure expectations are clear and specific, the employees have the tools to succeed and performance is based on the success in hitting the expectations.

Talk to the employees, get to know them, what is going on in their lives and with families. Respect them and be kind. Let them know you appreciate them and need them to be successful.

Treat them like they want to be treated...not everyone wants the same treatment.
Posted by Hammertime
Will trade dowsing rod for titties
Member since Jan 2012
43030 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 10:30 pm to
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This. Leaders are born, not made.
Truth


One little trick is to periodically ask the older guy's opinions on how to do things. It opens dialogue. Doesn't matter if you know what you are doing already, asking them will make them feel like more a part of a team
This post was edited on 2/12/14 at 10:32 pm
Posted by FootballNostradamus
Member since Nov 2009
20509 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 10:35 pm to
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As much as I hate the whole alpha/beta thing in regards to pick up artist shite I think it absolutely applies to work/business. No matter how long they may have been doing this they will still respond to a leader that takes charge of things. It's why they have been doing it for 30 years and haven't moved on. They are followers and always will be.


I agree with this to an extent. I think there are some people who just naturally aren't fit to lead. They lack conviction or drive or confidence, whatever it is, they just don't have it.

At the same time, being the alphamale is not what is required, atleast not in all industries, to be a great leader. One of my best engineering leads ever was one of the most soft-spoken, quiet men I've ever met. He was also one of the nicest men I've ever known and was as direct as any manager I've ever had.

There are plenty of different styles for leading. I've had rah rah alphamale leaders who were awful. Do what suits you. Don't pretend to be what you're not.

Humor is underrated in a leader IMO.
Posted by Bullfrog
Institutionalized but Unevaluated
Member since Jul 2010
56194 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 10:36 pm to
Not that there isn't great advice already but just like job skills, management skills are learnable.

Most people don't realize that managing is a total different skill set than having the technical ability to do the job. Many times being a technician in a job will hinder management of a project because you keep putting yourself down in the trenches. That's not management.

Sure leaders are born but more often than not, they are created on purpose.

It just takes a helluva lot longer if you try to learn management by seeing what works and what doesn't than seeking to educate yourself.

What does work is getting your team to give their discretionary effort. To do a little bit more because they want to. That separates the top teams from the "I put in my 8 hours and I'm outta here!" The job has to be done right. To the quality standards sought. Not to the time put in. Big difference.

Get yourself to Barnes & Nobles and find the books that interest you. Read & apply. Educate yourself on management & leadership. It's the lifetime pursuit of perfection.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278261 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 10:39 pm to
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This. Leaders are born, not made



you may be born a leader, but one doesn't become a true leader over night. Therefore this saying is bullshite. All leaders are formed/made.
Posted by HeavyCore
Member since Sep 2012
2552 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 10:50 pm to
I was about 23 when I got thrust into the same type of scenario. I'm 26 now, but I came to find out that if you're good at your job people will respect you. I had a moment within the first week that people looked in awe at, and that pretty much set the bar pretty high and people started to look to me pretty quickly. Get one of those moments and you'll be set.


Or, and this is really shitty, but single out 1 or 2 of them and treat them like shite while treating the others like kings. It sucks, but it works. People have a hive mind about that sort of thing and will rally against the weak one making you look strong and competent, even though you're a douche.
Posted by Sus-Scrofa
Member since Feb 2013
8128 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 10:54 pm to
The next time you ask someone to do something and the balk, just do it yourself. Don't ask someone else to do it.

Nine times out of ten the person you asked will try to get you to let them do it before you're done (like you asked them to in the first place). Don't let them. The point will be made.
Posted by jg8623
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2010
13531 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 10:55 pm to
Don't be afraid to ask them some questions about the business or how they like certain things done. Let them have some input and they will like you a ton more and won't think you're this young spoiled college kid who didn't "put in the work" to get there. Don't be the "bossy know-it-all".
This post was edited on 2/12/14 at 11:00 pm
Posted by oVo
Member since Dec 2013
11799 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 10:58 pm to
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Don't micromanage.


Micromanage. You are the boss. If they frick shite up, it's on you.

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Don't ask them to do anything they haven't seen you do.


agreed.
Posted by Dead Mike
Cell Block 4
Member since Mar 2010
3376 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 11:08 pm to
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About 8 months ago, I got promoted within my department at work to be a Group Leader(drafting metal buildings). Its basically a management position where I oversee 6 people out of 26.

The thing is I feel like I've failed miserably at this. I'm only 24 and I have guys under me thats been doing this 30+ years to my 2 years. So, I can understand why I'm not respected in that regard.

I was wondering if there were any tips or mental exercises that I could do to boost my confidence and become a better LEADER and help my group become more efficient and produce quality work.


I'm in a similar position (about half the time in job and half of the staff) at 24 and I often feel the same way as you. I try to be positive and appreciative, and I try to avoid micromanaging while providing enough direction to make sure we're meeting standards. I know what I've admired in previous managers and I know what I've been put off by in previous managers, and most of the time I just hope I'm doing more of the former.
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