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Posted on 2/19/14 at 12:38 pm to Mike da Tigah
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No, the point is that the pattern will continue far as long as we continue to do the same things, not fix a value to things worth fighting for, and surrender at the blink of an eye.
Am I confusing you with a different poster? Didn't you recently move out to Livingston Parish?
Posted on 2/19/14 at 1:02 pm to NameWithheld
quote:I've never heard that term used here in any zoning issues. But that doesn't mean we don't have it. I sounds like a useful zoning category.
I take it Louisiana has no such "ETJ" development control or broad provisions for involuntary annexations, correct?
Posted on 2/19/14 at 1:32 pm to Mike da Tigah
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At present, you live to serve this ship. Row well and live. That's what we've all become because there is no real purpose to living in a place you have no ownership or identity to than to eat, shite, sleep, and back to work. One place is just like another, except when the other is newer and more shiny, then you leave for it, uncontrollably mesmerized by the glitz that in ten to twenty years gets dated and ugly, and so you keep moving in search for something new and shiny down the road. Almost never thinking that perhaps the answer is not found in the sparkle, but in you MAKING THE AREA a community you own and identify with and so love and are willing to fight for.
hence people attempting to take an unincorporated portion of suburbia, make it their own, stop rowing the boat for others in the city next door, and turn it into community they identify with. thanks for proving the St George point.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:07 pm to Rickety Cricket
quote:Aren't you a proud resident of Livingston Parish that constantly takes jabs at BR?
When the going gets tough, cut and run.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:08 pm to Mike da Tigah
Mike, I understand your overall point. There is a lot more than money that keeps a city "young," though. I agree with your points about investing in local businesses, but you're completely ignoring the school side of this conversation. Schools are vital in keeping young families here. The city totally neglected us on that front for decades. That's why instead of retreating to ascension or Zachary, we're fighting for our own school system. One that will keep our area from aging prematurely, as young families are jumping ship.
We agree on the core values, I think, but education is a completely different layer than infrastructure and taxes.
We agree on the core values, I think, but education is a completely different layer than infrastructure and taxes.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:23 pm to Huck Finn
quote:For decades the school board did not run the EBR school system. The federal court did.
you're completely ignoring the school side of this conversation. Schools are vital in keeping young families here. The city totally neglected us on that front for decades.
In the last 5 years since the Fed lawsuit was settled almost HALF (3 of 7) of the new schools built in EBR have been in the St George area.
Let me show you what is likely to happen if the SG area splits off, either as a new city or with just a new school district: the Federal court will be right back into our school system.
Look at the school lawsuit the feds are in court over NOW in Ascension Parish. LINK
Anyone who thinks the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People will sit by and let minority voting strength be diluted by approximatly half is living in a dream world.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:25 pm to PRK
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You've never faced that kind of adversity for a day in your life. Shut the frick up.
That's right. You know this because you know me personally, right?
How the frick do you know what I have or haven't gone through?
And also, what type of adversity are you talking about anyway?
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:28 pm to sec13rowBBseat28
Born and raised. But LP is picking itself up as a whole and getting better all of the time. I'd like to see the same thing in BR, everyone coming together to strengthen the community. Nonetheless, I do hope St. George happens, if only as a real life civics experiment.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:28 pm to LSURussian
1) new buildings do not guarantee high achieving school districts
2) so the St. George folks shouldn't try to better schools because a group of racists in the NAACP will bring a suit? Awesome argument, I guess it's settled: nobody take action on anything ever...you might get sued. Reminds me of the Scientology episode of southpark.
2) so the St. George folks shouldn't try to better schools because a group of racists in the NAACP will bring a suit? Awesome argument, I guess it's settled: nobody take action on anything ever...you might get sued. Reminds me of the Scientology episode of southpark.
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Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:33 pm to LSURussian
Honest question: did the school board even get a say as to where new schools would be built? If not, why were they even there if the federal judge is micromanaging everything? The federal suit thoroughly screwed us, don't get me wrong, but if your going to tell me EBRPSS is the best we can and should expect for our kids, and it doesn't need to be razed, no one will be laughing at your picture. So far this is the closest we've come to a "reset" button on schools. And the St George demographics aren't anywhere near as white as you like you suggest. I'll take my chances on that lawsuit.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:35 pm to man in the stadium
quote:I didn't say it did, but building a significant percent of all the new school buildings in a single district sure as hell isn't "totally neglecting" that area as the poster who I responded to wrote. But thanks for attempting to refute a point I didn't make.
1) new buildings do not guarantee high achieving school districts
quote:An intelligent person would understand my point was a new school district will likely not be the Shangri-la the SG promoters promise it will be. In fact, it might even make the educational situation worse, not better.
2) so the St. George folks shouldn't try to better schools because a group of racists in the NAACP will bring a suit? Awesome argument, I guess it's settled: nobody take action on anything ever...you might get sued.
Like I said, 'an intelligent person' would understand that....
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:38 pm to LSURussian
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LSURussian
You take any rebuttal to your arguments way too personally. Relax.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:40 pm to Rickety Cricket
quote:It certainly is, must be nice. It's the reason why so many are leaving Baton Rouge, you can't blame them.
But LP is picking itself up as a whole and getting better all of the time.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:42 pm to LSURussian
So they might get sued and/or things might be worse with a different school district arrangement. Truly a transcendent argument, I am in awe of such omniscience.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:44 pm to upgrayedd
I told him to tag all his posts with a quote
"If you disagree, you're a complete idiot." - LSURussian
He said almost this exact thing in another thread.
Oddly though, he's really good at responding to pieces of a sentence out of context. Like the "for decades" part of my sentence, when he was refuting it. Or the first half of the question I posed yesterday.
"If you disagree, you're a complete idiot." - LSURussian
He said almost this exact thing in another thread.
Oddly though, he's really good at responding to pieces of a sentence out of context. Like the "for decades" part of my sentence, when he was refuting it. Or the first half of the question I posed yesterday.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:46 pm to upgrayedd
quote:WTF DO YOU MEAN BY THAT!!!!
You take any rebuttal to your arguments way too personally. Relax.
:RIMSHOT:
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:51 pm to Huck Finn
quote:How did I take that out of context? I quoted that entire sentence and addressed the "for decades" point that "for decades" the local school board had very little say so over the allocation of school resources, such as building new schools where they are needed.
Like the "for decades" part of my sentence
Only since the lawsuit was settled have we seen the school board start rebuilding our school system and the SG area has certainly been a major recipient of those new schools. SG certainly has NOT been "totally neglected" by the school board as you wrote.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 3:04 pm to LSURussian
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An intelligent person would understand my point was a new school district will likely not be the Shangri-la the SG promoters promise it will be. In fact, it might even make the educational situation worse, not better.
If it's about the schools then keep fighting that fight. Stop trying to make us a city. If we become a city then the resources will have to be spread throughout, not just in education. SG cant support the ivy league of public schools along with everything involved in running a city.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 3:18 pm to Mike da Tigah
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You want bad arse food? Vote for it. You want a clean city? Demand it. You want a great community? Stop building crap, and start supporting your own city, and don't tell me it's not their city, because it damn well is their city, as these are Baton Rougeans we are talking about here, not some put upon peoples with a name other than Baton Rouge. St. George is a made up name, pulled out of thin air from one singular Catholic Parish and Subdivision off Siegen, it's not a name any of these people have EVER given any thought to as being identified with. That's why it's founded in nonsense from the start. It's bullshite.
You do understand that the reason this whole st. george incorporation even started, was because the residents of the area wanted a school district created, but the city council would not allow it to come up to a vote, because the area in question was not a part of incorporated EBR. So what, exactly, are they supposed to do about it? If they aren't allowed a vote by BR, then how do they affect change? They do it by incorporating. It is not the people's fault for wanting better education standards. It's the public school system and baton rouge city government. SO your entire argument is nonsensical.
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