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Posted on 1/13/22 at 8:24 pm to stout
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We have a few rentals in some less desirable areas and a realtor is trying to convince me to cash out but I like the monthly cash flow.
The current market has to be gutting the small time rental investor. I guess that's a sideline/retirement plan that's dying now.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 8:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Not possible without destroying the US (which will destroy the world). Even the super aggressive policies for 2022 have the fed raising rates 1% I think. You'll need another, what? 4% to get 8% mortgage rates?
How high do you think interest rates were in the mid 80s? I’ll give you a hint, ARM’s we’re well over 12%.
Real estate was skyrocketing at a similar pace to now. I purchased my first home in 1985 for $210k. Within 2 years it was assessed at and I had multiple offers over $650k.
Then 1987 happened.
The bubble will eventually burst unless corrective action is taken.
This post was edited on 1/13/22 at 8:29 pm
Posted on 1/13/22 at 8:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
Ours are paid for so I am in a better position than some but yea I imagine there are several hurting
I am currently looking for mobile homes to put on some property in Ragley. I wanted to build some metal building apartments on it but apparently, in LA you would need a commercial sewer system and a retention pond for that. Which would cost me tens of thousands of dollars all in.
I can take the same property and put up to 5 mobile homes on it on a single residential mechanical sprinkler system. No retention pond is needed and a residential system last I checked was around $3500 to $5K depending,
How stupid is that?
I am currently looking for mobile homes to put on some property in Ragley. I wanted to build some metal building apartments on it but apparently, in LA you would need a commercial sewer system and a retention pond for that. Which would cost me tens of thousands of dollars all in.
I can take the same property and put up to 5 mobile homes on it on a single residential mechanical sprinkler system. No retention pond is needed and a residential system last I checked was around $3500 to $5K depending,
How stupid is that?
Posted on 1/13/22 at 9:24 pm to SlowFlowPro
Is anyone considering demographic changes when doubting the efficiency of the current real estate market?
I may be wrong, but I believe it is a record population coming into home buying age. Older millennials have been putting off home purchasing bc of higher priority on rental freedom, plus the population boom of the approx 25 year olds.
I may be wrong, but I believe it is a record population coming into home buying age. Older millennials have been putting off home purchasing bc of higher priority on rental freedom, plus the population boom of the approx 25 year olds.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 9:55 pm to Dan
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There are differences by race and ethnicity in the share of prime-working-age adults who are partnered and unpartnered. Among those ages 25 to 54, 59% of Black adults were unpartnered in 2019. This is higher than the shares among Hispanic (38%), White (33%) and Asian (29%) adults. For most racial and ethnic groups, men are more likely than women to be unpartnered. The exception is among Black adults, where women (62%) are more likely to be unpartnered than men (55%).
A 10% increase in people living "single" the last 25 years.
quote:Baws living in momma's basement.
Roughly three-in-ten unpartnered men (31%) lived in the home of at least one of their parents in 2019
Average age of first marriage continuing to climb also.. 30.5 men and 28.1 women.
Rental market and smaller homes...
Posted on 1/13/22 at 10:19 pm to stout
Never bet against real estate
Land is the only thing they're not making more of
Land is the only thing they're not making more of
This post was edited on 1/13/22 at 10:21 pm
Posted on 1/13/22 at 10:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:I remember people in the Tampa area when the Florida bubble popped. Everyone was buying up spec homes to turn for a profit a year or two later. When it popped, homes that had sold for $400k dropped below $200k. It was a blood bath.
This board also predicted the 2008 crash years ahead of time. Saved me a lot of pain.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 10:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The biggest issue is that salaries are not likely to keep up. So if individuals aren't going to be able to afford homes, then, at best, you'll have clonglomorates, IBs, and rich individuals being the only ones who can afford homes in time.
Mortgage companies will offer 40 year and interest only mortgages just like some areas of California where prices have risen steady for 50 years.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 11:02 pm to RealDawg
I bought a house in Roswell in 2014 for $113 sq ft. Sold it in 2017 for $131 sq ft. It has since sold twice for $145 sq ft and $172 sq ft, respectively.
We moved to a lower priced market when we left, so felt like we were making out like bandits at the time.
Should have rented that bitch for a few years and sold it now. Hindsight being 20/20.
We moved to a lower priced market when we left, so felt like we were making out like bandits at the time.
Should have rented that bitch for a few years and sold it now. Hindsight being 20/20.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 11:03 pm to HubbaBubba
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I remember people in the Tampa area when the Florida bubble popped. Everyone was buying up spec homes to turn for a profit a year or two later.
Yeah I know three people that lucked into buying beach front condos at just about the perfect bottom timing and have made out very well on those investments. Damn them.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 11:57 pm to notiger1997
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Yeah I know three people that lucked into buying beach front condos at just about the perfect bottom timing and have made out very well on those investments. Damn them.
Palm beach county is ridiculous and it won’t pop for a while. There is so little inventory and so much demand. But it will pop. It’s just going to take a while since there are so many people moving here from blue states.
Inevitably the demand will slow and there will be an overbuild. For now though, the real estate mark up prices here are starting to resemble No Cal. I’ve made about $200k in equity in 14 months on my house. It’s a hyper market.
Posted on 1/14/22 at 12:26 am to RealDawg
Black rock is going to dominate if this continues. These rental communities are just another step towards socialism.
Posted on 1/14/22 at 5:10 am to Hogwarts
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Moved into our house in January of 2020. Could list it right now for 60 thousand more than we paid and have it sold within a week.
The draw back is where would you move and what would that home cost you?
Posted on 1/14/22 at 5:34 am to StringedInstruments
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Didn’t want to risk the maintenance costs eating at our savings.
You’re doing it wrong.
Posted on 1/14/22 at 5:46 am to StringedInstruments
Timing can be a bitch. Happens to all of us.
I regret not reaping massive gains on my significant WorldCom holdings ....
I regret not reaping massive gains on my significant WorldCom holdings ....
Posted on 1/14/22 at 5:55 am to OTIS2
Zillow is saying my home is now worth 30% more than I paid to build it in 2020. Not building another home, but we are looking at existing houses already with the thought of selling at the 2 year mark.
Posted on 1/14/22 at 7:24 am to kywildcatfanone
Built for 137k. Went to 295k in 6 years. Went to 125k when the bottom fell out. Topped at 320k a few months ago, and close to 310k now.
I want to buy a lot and big camper, and live in it until this bubble bursts, then buy closer to Disney. Wife will not hear of living in a camper and wants to buy an inflated house close to Disney now.
I want to buy a lot and big camper, and live in it until this bubble bursts, then buy closer to Disney. Wife will not hear of living in a camper and wants to buy an inflated house close to Disney now.
Posted on 1/14/22 at 7:28 am to Cymry Teigr
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How high do you think interest rates were in the mid 80s?
What was our national debt in the 80s at that point?
Raise interest rates to 4% and tell me what sort of increase fedgov would have to pay on that debt this year. That's approximately what, a $1.2T increase in federal costs? You think fedgov is going to cut $1.2T in dedicated spending to cover that increase?
This isn't a perfect correlation due to the types of bonds issued, but fedgov didn't lock in a set interest rate on the debt issued and any interest rate increase is going to be felt HARD when servicing debt moving forward.
Forbe article kind of touching on this
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The federal government has about $22 trillion of debt held by the public. (Some of its debt is held in government trust funds, such as for Social Security, so interest is both an expense and an income to the government.) Last year interest on the debt came to $413 billion, with a low average interest expense of about 1.5%. (Calculation of average interest is complicated by floating rate debt and inflation-adjusted debt as well as the timing of debt issuances and maturities. This is ballpark estimate.)
What would happen if interest rates rose by, say, three percentage points for both short-term and long-term interest rates? The short answer will sound like it is coming from a proponent of bigger spending: not too much. But the “not too much” answer comes in the context of trillion dollar deficits, with more on the way. It turns out that interest expense is not the big item that the United States needs to worry about.
The maturity of federal debt ranges from next week to 2051. Thirty percent is due within the next 12 months, with another 13% in the following 12 months. It’s a great puzzle why, in an era of historically low interest rates and projections of high future deficits, the U.S. Treasury did not lock in low interest rates by issuing more long-term debt and less short-term paper. Whatever the reason, our hypothetical increase in interest rates will boost net interest expense on 43% of the debt in the next two years, adding about $240 billion to federal outlays. (The exact amount depends on the timing and maturity schedule of new debt issuance.) Let’s round that to a quarter of a trillion dollars. That’s real money but small compared to our overall outlays, especially small after Congress passes multi-trillion budget reconciliation and infrastructure bills.
The debt is now almost 50% larger (approaching $30T) than when this article was written, per the US Debt Clock.
This post was edited on 1/14/22 at 7:36 am
Posted on 1/14/22 at 7:34 am to RealDawg
Neighbors home was listed for 1 day, and sold for 100k more than she paid for it 3 years ago. I'd sell today if we owned a price of property or had other accommodations to live in.
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