re: The Mongols knew how to deal with Islam

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Who are you quoting? Is it Bill Warner, the guy who I've just shown you is a hack?

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Not unless Bill Warner wrote the Wiki page.

So you think we should take a page out of the Mongels playbook and genocide the Muslims?

That'll really show 'em how much more humane and civilized we are!

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Nitpick much? Do not the words mean the exact same thing?

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Plus it looks to me in both "translations" the Muslims are instructed to. "kill", "capture", "besiege" and "ambush" them no matter by what name they're called. None of that sounds very peaceful or tolerant.

In a completely detached, big picture, objective, robotic sense...



Put it this way...if I were playing a tactical game, and thus "human life" was meaningless to me, then yes, a scorched earth, total war policy from my fictitious gov't would be the order of the day (talking about ISIS/ radical Islam, not every marginally Muslim state.)

Submit or be destroyed.

History has proven it an effective means of conquering.

No, I mean like a polytheist; i.e., a pagan. Last time I checked lots of non-Muslims were not polytheists / idolaters.

Kafir is not simply a non-Muslim. Its meaning is "someone who hides the truth," so it's closer to hypocrite than unbeliever.

Straight from the source.

Islamic Thinkers Society

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Who is kafir and who is Muslim? People often confuse the difference between kafir asli (originally kafir) and kafir murtad (apostate) who was a Muslim but he negated his belief.
Let us classify the types of Kafir below:
1. Kafir Asli – originally kafir
An example of kuffar asli are the: Hindus, Sikhs, Christians, Jews or atheists i.e. a disbeliever in Islam. So they could believe in God but not in The Messenger Muhammad (saw).
There are three types of Kafir Asli:
(a) Mushriks – from the people of the book i.e. Jews & Christians
(b) Mushriks – who are not people of the book, e.g. Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Zoroastrians etc.
(c) Atheists – such as those who believe in science, self-worshippers, women-worshippers, money-worshippers etc.
Therefore the Kafir is: ‘The one who does not believe in Islam and the Prophet Muhammad (saw).’
2. Kafir Murtad (apostate)
The kafir Murtad a person who was a Muslim once but committed one or more of the actions below:
(a) Al-Juhoud – To deny any obligation known by necessity
If a person denies any action that is known from Islam by necessity, such as to deny fasting, Hajj, prayer, Shari’ah, Jihad he will become Jaahid (the denier), who indulges in Juhoud.
(b) Al-Istihlaal – To permit what Allah (swt) forbids or forbids what Allah permits
Istihlaal is to permit what Allah forbids or vice versa. An example of this is the one who permits fornication or forbids. The one who commits Istihlaal is called Al-Mustahil (legislator).
(c) Al-Naaqid – Negations of the Deen
There are ten negations of the Deen (Nawaaqid ul Islam) and if a person violates any one of them he will become murtad.

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I know it's a silly meme, but it sums it all up.. For real.

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Pretty sure Luke 19:27 is in red...

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And as for these enemies of mine who objected to my being their king, bring them here and execute them in my presence.'"

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You do realize Jesus was telling a parable there and not instructing his disciples to literally bring people to him and kill them, right?

ETA: Looks like Festus was thinking the same thing.

Might be why he left out verses 11-26.

Ty Kafir Asli terd.