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Posted on 11/24/15 at 3:23 pm to Festus
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Might be why he left out verses 11-26.
That's what kills me. People pick out one verse here or another there and take them totally out of context. I'm all for having a debate on the meaning of scripture. But if folks want to have a debate it should at least be an honest one.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 3:24 pm to terd ferguson
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They may be from rival outlaw biker gangs...
But I'm not a member of an outlaw biker "gang".
Posted on 11/24/15 at 3:25 pm to Barf
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Pretty sure Luke 19:27 is in red...
You should probably read the other verses so you would understand that you are referring to what was said in a parable. That would be like complaining that Jesus said that you should kill the sons of people who own vineyards by citing Matthew 21:38, Mark 12:8, or Luke 20:14.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 3:26 pm to Darth_Vader
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. But if folks want to have a debate it should at least be an honest one.
It's never an honest debate. It's not possible to debate blind faith. You either believe in it or you don't.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 3:27 pm to Barf
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It's never an honest debate. It's not possible to debate blind faith. You either believe in it or you don't.
So do you believe that Jesus was telling his disciples to go bring non-believers before him so he could watch them being killed?
Posted on 11/24/15 at 3:28 pm to fr33manator
It's disturbing that a post promoting the murder of women and children has more upvotes than downvotes
Posted on 11/24/15 at 3:29 pm to Darth_Vader
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So do you believe that Jesus was telling his disciples to go bring non-believers before him so he could watch them being killed?
I have zero reason to believe that Jesus was not equally as self centered and crazy as the person who sent him. So yes, I think if jesus could have gotten his people to murder, he would have done so.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 3:30 pm to Barf
Given that you don't understand parables (and probably haven't read the bible outside of some wiki pages), I'm not really sure you're qualified a lick to give an opinion like that.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 3:31 pm to Napoleon
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aww two OT enemies posting the same thing at the same time.
I was a minute before him, you liar.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 3:34 pm to Barf
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Barf
You are out of your element Donny.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 3:34 pm to Barf
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I have zero reason to believe that Jesus was not equally as self centered and crazy as the person who sent him. So yes, I think if jesus could have gotten his people to murder, he would have done so.
Well He convinced people to drop everything in their life and follow Him. And He convinced them to go spread His message to the world even after He was gone. I'd say that shows He could convince people to do just about anything He wanted.
That being the case, why do you think He never asked them to murder anyone? I mean, you are saying you think He'd have done that very thing if he could. So considering everything He did convince people to do, namely devote their entire life to Him even after He was gone, why did he never try to get them to kill His enemies?
Posted on 11/24/15 at 3:34 pm to hogminer
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You are out of your element Donny.
V.I. LENIN! Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov!
Posted on 11/24/15 at 3:36 pm to Barf
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I have zero reason to believe that Jesus was not equally as self centered and crazy as the person who sent him. So yes, I think if jesus could have gotten his people to murder, he would have done so.
That's what I call avoiding Darth's direct question.
He didn't ask you if you thought Jesus "could have gotten" his people to murder, he would have. He asked if you thought that in telling that parable, was he telling his disciples to go bring non-believers before him so he could watch them being killed?
Posted on 11/24/15 at 3:37 pm to Darth_Vader
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That being the case, why do you think He never asked them to murder anyone? I mean, you are saying you think He'd have done that very thing if he could. So considering everything He did convince people to do, namely devote their entire life to Him even after He was gone, why did he never try to get them to kill His enemies?
The answer is clear: they didn't take statements of characters in parables out of context enough. Generations upon generations missed what Barf has only now unearthed--the true meaning of The Parable of the Ten Minas.
"It's like Jesus said, 'kill the owner of the vineyard's son so we can steal his inheritance.'"
-Barfolomew from TD
This post was edited on 11/24/15 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 11/24/15 at 3:44 pm to Barf
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Barf
You might be the most ignorant reader of the Bible I've ever encountered.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 3:45 pm to Darth_Vader
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Well He convinced people to drop everything in their life and follow Him. And He convinced them to go spread His message to the world even after He was gone. I'd say that shows He could convince people to do just about anything He wanted.
That being the case, why do you think He never asked them to murder anyone? I mean, you are saying you think He'd have done that very thing if he could. So considering everything He did convince people to do, namely devote their entire life to Him even after He was gone, why did he never try to get them to kill His enemies?
Just so we are clear, we are assuming the old testament god and the new testament god are two different gods?
Posted on 11/24/15 at 3:45 pm to Meauxjeaux
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You might be the most ignorant reader of the Bible I've ever encountered.
How is blind faith not ignorance?
Posted on 11/24/15 at 3:46 pm to Barf
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Just so we are clear, we are assuming the old testament god and the new testament god are two different gods?
Two different Gods? No. The God of the Old Testament is the same God as the new Testament. Sounds like you're VERYconfused.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 3:46 pm to Festus
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was he telling his disciples to go bring non-believers before him so he could watch them being killed?
I dug a little deeper. I know that the stories in Mark, Matthew, and Luke overlap quite a bit so I checked out my Bible (yeah the one I keep at work).
Matthew 25 contains the Parable of the Talents which is pretty much the exact same as the Parable of Minas from Luke.
Luke has - "I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what they have will be taken away. But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.”
Matthew has - "For the one who has will be given more, and he will have more than enough. But the one who does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. And throw that worthless slave into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth"
So the whole killing/executing thing probably isn't even in a literal sense... more than likely it's referring to eternal damnation.
Which makes sense when you take the parable as a whole... with the risk of giving unto God in order to receive a return on investment rather than risking nothing and receiving "death" (damnation).
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