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re: The 2016 Physician Compensation Report is out

Posted on 4/2/16 at 9:24 pm to
Posted by YipSkiddlyDooo
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 4/2/16 at 9:24 pm to
Dermatology and Ortho PAs don't make $250 a year, I don't think CRNAs do either.

I mean that's $100 an hour, working 50 hour weeks every week of the year...
Posted by Polar Pop
Member since Feb 2012
10752 posts
Posted on 4/2/16 at 9:35 pm to
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Ortho PAs don't make $250 a year


Correct. Divide that by 2 and some change for my wife who is a Ortho NP.
Posted by Big Block Stingray
Top down on open road
Member since Feb 2009
1979 posts
Posted on 4/2/16 at 9:36 pm to
Not sure what is more comical, those not physicans telling them what they make or the med students/residents/physicians telling RN'S what they make.
This post was edited on 4/2/16 at 10:13 pm
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
28149 posts
Posted on 4/2/16 at 10:06 pm to
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Between the rapid advancement in heuristic AI and the inevitably of a single payer system in America, the role of a physician is going to become greatly diminished - which will lead to a precipitous drop in those numbers in the decades ahead.


Are we going to keep hearing this kind of stuff increasingly now that we have an AI renaissance of sorts? So much hand-waving in this type of talk.
Posted by BigPapiDoesItAgain
Amérique du Nord
Member since Nov 2009
2800 posts
Posted on 4/2/16 at 10:07 pm to
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Why are peds so low? Kids don't get sick anymore?


Depends on how busy - wife is a pedi, and that number is way low even in a bad year, but she is good and has built a helluva practice over 18 years.
Posted by jennBN
Member since Jun 2010
3151 posts
Posted on 4/2/16 at 10:09 pm to
I hate to break it to you guys but RNs here make that much. Base rate for a new grad at my facility is 61 an hour. After 8 hours is time and a half and after 12 hours is double. Call or standby pay is half your hourly. I am not going to hit that this year because I only work 20 hours a week but most of my coworkers will clear at least 200 and the ones that work full time will make 250....which is why the mds have to be making more than that report I would think.
Edit-where in California pays 24 bucks an hour?!? And travel nurses make far less than staff nurses here which is why I went staff and stopped traveling.
This post was edited on 4/2/16 at 10:12 pm
Posted by pngtiger
Mobile
Member since May 2004
1819 posts
Posted on 4/2/16 at 10:40 pm to
I'm not in California, in Alabama. Was wanting to hire a few of the good nurses from the hospital for my clinic, and asked them what the hospital paid them to see if I could afford it. I have many friends that are nurses that have told me, and know many that travel because the pay is sometimes as much as twice the hospitals in Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Georgia.
Posted by Dr. Shultz
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Jun 2013
6391 posts
Posted on 4/2/16 at 10:44 pm to
You are saying RN new grads are making 61\hr???

Posted by Odinson
Asgard
Member since Apr 2014
2760 posts
Posted on 4/2/16 at 10:52 pm to
Obviously there are always extremes in medical salaries......I know an orthopedic doc banking well over 1 million per year an has two PA-C making over 300k with him ( mostly medical/legal work)

Just like I know attorneys living the high life and I know some barely breaking 50k.
Posted by jennBN
Member since Jun 2010
3151 posts
Posted on 4/2/16 at 10:52 pm to
Yes. That is what I am saying. And I work at the lowest paying hospital in the area. I believe Kaiser starts them at 65.

Edit-odinson, so are docs compensated at all based on where they live eg. Reimbursements? I would love to know but don't talk money with my mds.
This post was edited on 4/2/16 at 10:55 pm
Posted by Odinson
Asgard
Member since Apr 2014
2760 posts
Posted on 4/2/16 at 11:35 pm to
The short answer is yes. Medicare/Medicaid/private insurance reimbursements all vary depending on geographical locations. When you get into hospital base, private practice, fee schedules, RVUs etc, etc....that's where all the salary discrepancies also comes into play.
Posted by VOLcano
Rocky Top
Member since Feb 2016
942 posts
Posted on 4/2/16 at 11:53 pm to
The $60 an hour starting pay out in Cali is obviously the most out of anywhere but it also has the highest cost of living in the country. Finding a RN job in the large urban areas of Cali is almost impossible for new grads and you have to have a BSN not an ASN to even get considered. I find that throughout the South (I am in Knoxville)that the starting base rate is 18-30. Like you said, travel nurses in the South can make big bucks by living in a low cost area and taking jobs where the pay is almost double.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 4/3/16 at 12:13 am to
My neighbor is a Gastroenterologist..... Often wondered why someone would go into that field.... Now I know.

His father is a doctor too, so he probably got some good advice.
Posted by jennBN
Member since Jun 2010
3151 posts
Posted on 4/3/16 at 12:42 am to
Actually having a bsn in California is not necessary. There is no pay increase for it either. Our facility is a hiring 120 new grads this year with 52 week ori programs for critical care areas...are you interested? Insurance is completely free for your entire family as well. This is the best state for my profession which is why the mds HAVE to make more than that chart.....thanks odinson for the info. There is no tactful way to ask that at work.
Posted by MadDoggyStyle
Member since Feb 2012
3857 posts
Posted on 4/3/16 at 2:08 am to
Dermatologists third highest paid. Calling BS on that list.
This post was edited on 4/3/16 at 2:08 am
Posted by Kcoyote
Member since Jan 2012
12050 posts
Posted on 4/3/16 at 2:37 am to
Hopefully going to be matching into Neuro in a year. Fingers crossed. It's down on the list, but I enjoy the field from what I've seen so far.
Posted by Arkapigdiesel
Arkansas
Member since Jun 2009
13321 posts
Posted on 4/3/16 at 3:25 am to
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Between the rapid advancement in heuristic AI and the inevitably of a single payer system in America, the role of a physician is going to become greatly diminished - which will lead to a precipitous drop in those numbers in the decades ahead.

Precipitous. A precipitous drop. Super!
Posted by skinny domino
sebr
Member since Feb 2007
14350 posts
Posted on 4/3/16 at 3:33 am to
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I would have thought plastic surgeons were closer to the top
good ones are
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124186 posts
Posted on 4/3/16 at 3:57 am to
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My friend who's a radiologist started out at $700k/yr
FWIW, $700K is not a starting rad salary, unless it's accompanied by a large practice expense or buy in.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124186 posts
Posted on 4/3/16 at 4:07 am to
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AI systems that can diagnose far more quickly and efficiently than a physician, and can access 100% of all medical knowledge at all times, and can seamlessly implement new data into novel medical contexts
You're badly misinformed about production level AI capability and utility. Reality is current computer systems technology even struggles with something as basic as an EMR.
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