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re: Shooting at Orlando gay club: 50 Dead, 53 Injured, Shooter is Radical Muslim
Posted on 6/14/16 at 3:29 pm to Alahunter
Posted on 6/14/16 at 3:29 pm to Alahunter
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I've used them to deter poachers breaking the law at my hunting club. I've used them while serving with the Sheriff's Dept. My mother in law used one to force 2 meth heads off her property when they were trying to gain entry..
This is one of the most "Alabama" posts ever made on here
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Posted on 6/14/16 at 4:29 pm to Redbone
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The difference is the M-16 is a fully automatic weapon where as the AR-15 is a semi-automatic.
Nah, the standard M16 used by the military hasn't been fully auto since the A1 during Vietnam. The military found that fully auto was just wasting ammo in modern wars. The A2 which is still the most widely used version does have burst mode which lets off 3 rounds automatically but they really just did it to make soldiers feel more confident in the weapon. The A3 is fully auto, but rarely used and then only by special forces. The Marines have started using the A4 which also utilizes a 3 round burst mode rather than full auto.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 4:57 pm to Guess
I know. I didn't use the different versions for simplicity sake. I just wanted to point out the simple difference.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 5:06 pm to LoveThatMoney
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I would love for something to corroborate this. If it's true, then I'll stand corrected, and happily.
The first article I read.
But these changes have done nothing to reduce gun-related deaths, according to Samara McPhedran, a University of Sydney academic and coauthor of a soon-to-be-published paper that reviews a selection of previous studies on the effects of the 1996 legislation. The conclusions of these studies were "all over the place," says McPhedran. But by pulling back and looking purely at the statistics, the answer "is there in black and white," she says. "The hypothesis that the removal of a large number of firearms owned by civilians [would lead to fewer gun-related deaths] is not borne out by the evidence."
Australia's Gun Laws: Little Effect
Posted on 6/14/16 at 5:23 pm to Redbone
Has the link between the guy that was plotting the attack in Cali and this guy been discussed?
Posted on 6/14/16 at 5:54 pm to Redbone
I don't like the comparison of using other countries in studies to show us we need gun control. and I don't even mean Australia.. but that's a great study.
We have such a diverse type of people here.. it's just not the same in other countries. we are #1 by far in crime. of course stats like this are what is actually reported.. but we are so far out front here we probably are #1 in terms of overall numbers.. we have by far the most civilians with guns and guns just floating around..
I don't agree with gun control.. and it's not practical here. We have a right to defend ourselves.
Here's an interesting read.
This is how it should be, but like I said earlier we have such a diverse type of people.. unfortunately bad guys are going to abuse it.. but it's no reason to take our right to defend against them.
We have such a diverse type of people here.. it's just not the same in other countries. we are #1 by far in crime. of course stats like this are what is actually reported.. but we are so far out front here we probably are #1 in terms of overall numbers.. we have by far the most civilians with guns and guns just floating around..
I don't agree with gun control.. and it's not practical here. We have a right to defend ourselves.
Here's an interesting read.
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Switzerland is Europe's gun capital. It has more firepower per person than any other country in the world yet it is said to be one of the safest places on Earth. Despite the prevalence of lethal hardware, the country has virtually no violent crime, there are only minimal controls at public buildings, and politicians rarely have police protection, although yesterday's events are bound to bring about a review of that situation. Year after year, Switzerland has one of the world's lowest murder rates while sending machine guns to every member of their citizen army. All males between 20 and 42 are required to keep rifles and pistols at home for the purposes of national defence and they are not kept in safes or with trigger locks. They are kept at the ready. It was the Swiss passion for guns matched by their determination to keep their liberty that kept the Nazi war machine at bay. When the Swiss government thought an invasion was imminent, it ordered every able-bodied man to stand by his post and defend it to the last round. Their determination, shooting skills, and the sheer quantity of weapons at their disposal persuaded Hitler that an invasion of Switzerland was not worth the cost and he should concentrate his efforts on conquering countries with strict gun control laws. The nation's militia system requires males over 18 to be ready for a call to service. Every Monday and Friday, men wearing uniforms and carrying weapons can be seen on commuter trains travelling to and from military camp for compulsory training. Other countries have tennis courts and golf courses, the Swiss have shooting ranges. Almost every town has one, where reservists have to fire a set number of rounds each year to keep their weapons. In restaurants and coffee shops, tourists sometimes find themselves competing with guns for places to hang their coats. However, Switzerland is facing pressures for gun control. Neighbouring countries are clamouring for tougher restrictions and the state parliament building shootings are likely to accelerate the demands.
This is how it should be, but like I said earlier we have such a diverse type of people.. unfortunately bad guys are going to abuse it.. but it's no reason to take our right to defend against them.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 5:56 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
Go on, never heard of a link there.Posted on 6/14/16 at 6:13 pm to beauchristopher
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This is how it should be, but like I said earlier we have such a diverse type of people
Yeah. That's really the difference. If we were as homogeneous as Switzerland, I imagine we'd all be singing a different tune.
In Swiss German.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 6:16 pm to Guess
He used a sig sauer mcx according to reports. Video has to show multiple shooters doesn't it? Ballistics
Posted on 6/14/16 at 6:29 pm to 5Alive
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He used a sig sauer mcx according to reports. Video has to show multiple shooters doesn't it? Ballistics
The only video I've seen is the shakey Iphone variety. I've not seen any reports that the club had a surveillance system. Maybe they do, though. But I doubt we'll ever see any video made public.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 6:30 pm to xxKylexx
I just want to be clear. I really don't feel like there was a second shooter. At all. This guy seems like he was acting alone.
Strange thing though now is they are looking at his wife (ex) and if she knew and didn't do anything to stop him.
Strange thing though now is they are looking at his wife (ex) and if she knew and didn't do anything to stop him.
This post was edited on 6/14/16 at 6:31 pm
Posted on 6/14/16 at 6:36 pm to tigerfoot
A. Not allowing crazies and watch listed acquire guns.
AR is most ubiquitous and easiest to acquire, along w ammo and mags, so prolly why most nutjobs use it. Kinda why military adopted, light and easy to carry it and lotsa ammo, humping around Vietnam. SF Jim says he liked the Browning A5 but buckshot is heavy.
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Why they pick scary looking ones
AR is most ubiquitous and easiest to acquire, along w ammo and mags, so prolly why most nutjobs use it. Kinda why military adopted, light and easy to carry it and lotsa ammo, humping around Vietnam. SF Jim says he liked the Browning A5 but buckshot is heavy.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 6:37 pm to beauchristopher
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Strange thing though now is they are looking at his wife (ex) and if she knew and didn't do anything to stop him.
I think this was his second wife, whether still married to her or not, I don't know, but not the one her parents rescued from him. Dude was a closeted gay with a violent temper, and still managed to convince two decent looking chicks to marry him.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 7:15 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
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Has the link between the guy that was plotting the attack in Cali and this guy been discussed?
You realize that quote was completely made up, right? He wasn't plotting any attack. He was a bisexual Bernie supporter.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 7:27 pm to beauchristopher
Thats interesting. Can you post a link?
Posted on 6/14/16 at 8:01 pm to Guess
I haven't read all this thread but I dont see anything about today's ISIS murder of a cop in France.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 8:11 pm to Guess
This came across my facebook news feed. It was copy and pasted and I can't confirm if it has any validity
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The real truth of the story was released to a former Los Angeles County prosecutor who works for Get Off the BS by two Santa Monica police officers that have been issued gag orders under threat of Federal prosecution for talking further talking about the incident. According to two department sources, Howell called the Santa Monica police on Sunday morning claiming that he needed protection from the CIA. Howell further elaborated to the dispatcher stating that he “had been set up by the CIA – they are going to kill me.” According to Howell, he was in LA to meet with another person in a collaborated attack on the gay communities in both Florida and Los Angeles. Howell additionally stated that, “everything has gone south. Dan was gone when I got here. They killed the leader of the Florida attack this morning. They are going to kill me. I need protection.” According to sources within the police department’s investigation Howell indicated to officers who first made contact with him that Howell claimed he was one of five people involved in a planned Sunday attack on both the east and west coasts. Howell stated that he was suppose to “hook up” late Saturday night with his contact in LA who was suppose to have more weapons and chemicals to mix with the Tannerite he was in possession of. “When I got here, Dan was gone. I went to his apartment and he had cleared out….I tried calling him but he never answered me,” said Howell. When questioned about the other four people involved in the plot, Howell was only familiar with the first names of three of the alleged suspects, naming his contact in LA – Dan and two of the three contacts in Florida, Omar and Brandy Speaking of the suspect killed in the Pulse Bar massacre in Florida, Howell stated, “Omar was not suppose to be killed. They lied to us – Omar and Brandy were suppose to get away.” When Howell was questioned about how he and his conspirators knew each other, he said that, “We were all familiar with each other through an online fundamental Islamic knowledge seminary course[1] – we were recruited through the course and trained together at a camp in Virginia – we were taught how to shoot and make bombs – everyone knew their part – something went wrong….” Before the officers could further question Howell, agents working for the Los Angeles office of the FBI quickly swept in and took over the case. Santa Monica detectives were never allowed to talk with Howell. In summary, it appears that Howell was on his way to “hook up” with another conspirator (Dan) to set off explosives and shoot people at the gay pride parade in Hollywood California on Sunday. Finding his contact missing when he got to LA and having heard that Omar Matteen had been killed by a FBI SWAT teem in Orlando, Howell determined he had been double crossed by the CIA and feared for his own life. Howell was taken in to custody by the FBI before Santa Monica police officers could further question him about the motives behind killing gay people on both coasts of the US on Sunday. However, in absence of further information and or anyone who will officially go on the record, there is no doubt that the America public is not being told the truth about the Orlando Florida shooting and the arrest of Howell on Sunday. It is a shame that the Fed’s got to the Santa Monica police chief on Sunday before she was silenced, however we are very thankful that at least two officers have risked their jobs and freedom to reveal what she would of most likely Tweeted had the Fed’s not got to her. Like · Reply · Mark as spam · 59 mins Sheila Kinard Bevill State Community College I call BS! Seen her on the news and she never said he was gay! Like · Reply · Mark as spam · 1 hr Art Koehler FBI, TSA, CIA, NSA, D O J, all involved in massive cover up of Obama's intention to destroy America. Like · Reply · Mark as spam · 1 hr Max Mata Saint Xavier University Interesting. Like · Reply · Mark as spam · 1 hr Load 10 more comments Facebook Comments Plugin
Posted on 6/15/16 at 2:56 pm to xxKylexx
Bump
Posted on 6/15/16 at 2:59 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
You see all those places at the bottom where it says "Mark as spam"? You should click one of those.
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