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re: Shooting at Orlando gay club: 50 Dead, 53 Injured, Shooter is Radical Muslim
Posted on 6/14/16 at 12:10 pm to LoveThatMoney
Posted on 6/14/16 at 12:10 pm to LoveThatMoney
Australia has a population of 24 mil. The U.S. has a population of 318 mil. Australia wasn't founded on the morals that this country was founded upon, which was a direct rise from tyranny. How did we do that? By force. By literally fighting, with firearms against an invading army that had firearms, to preserve a way of life and to relieve the oppression from a government that we wanted none of. How have so many of you forgotten how and why this country was founded?
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Posted on 6/14/16 at 12:21 pm to NorthTiger
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Any person can pledge allegiance to ISIS, Hitler or the Southern Baptist. That doesn't mean he is actually associated with those organizations.
While this true the facts that are coming out are indications. We know that he pledged allegiance to an ideology. We know that ideology says to kill infidels. The list is long and gay people are on the list. It is not necessary to have a text message, fakebook discussion, telephone connection. An open multiple cry of allegiance to a doctrine that tells one to do such acts is the only conclusion the casual observer (us) can come to.
If the doctrine of Southern Baptists was to kill gays the press would be all over that.
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Let's slow down and let this investigation play out.
I don't think our opinions in this discussion are of any real importance. Everybody has an opinion. In times like these it is a sort of an escape for people to discuss.
To everybody I say this: I do not like the gay lifestyle. That being said, that was 49 (last I heard) AMERICANS murdered. Their life choices were there on. That's one of the beauties of America. My heart is heavy.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 12:43 pm to Redbone
LOL Disney is now claiming they notified FBI that they thought the killer and wife may have been casing Disney
plot thickens
plot thickens
Posted on 6/14/16 at 12:50 pm to Pettifogger
We continue to collect illegal data daily on millions of citizens and we need fricking Disney to tip off the FBI.
This post was edited on 6/14/16 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 6/14/16 at 12:52 pm to dnm3305
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Australia has a population of 24 mil. The U.S. has a population of 318 mil. Australia wasn't founded on the morals that this country was founded upon, which was a direct rise from tyranny. How did we do that? By force. By literally fighting, with firearms against an invading army that had firearms, to preserve a way of life and to relieve the oppression from a government that we wanted none of. How have so many of you forgotten how and why this country was founded
Australia was founded by a bunch of outcasts who committed near genocide of indigenous people in order to civilize and establish colonies, pretty much just like in America. They didn't have the same revolution, though, you're right. France did. They've tackled guns differently than the US. Russia did. They've tackled guns differently.
I'm not saying we need to do what these other countries have done. In fact, I explicitly said as much. I am saying that something other than maintaining the status quo should be done.
But in order to do that, in order to get anything done in Congress really, the special interest groups in Washington need to be curtailed. From the Sierra Group to the NRA.
Also, I don't think you have the right of it when it comes to the American Revolution. Britain wasn't an invading force. It was an empire to which the American Colonies owed their allegiance. It was a revolution, not a defense of homeland against an invading force. For an example of the latter, see France circa WWI.
And lastly, I think a reading of the Second Amendment could easily argue that there is no individual right to bear arms, but that such right is vested in state militias. That argument has obviously failed so far, but it is there and would largely moot the gun control debate if the interpretation were to flip in that direction. As to the way I feel about it, the more and more I see the debate spiral out of control and the more violence due to guns I see in this country, the less sympathy I feel for the pro-gun collective, even as I once gave them my full throated support.
Cue the "liberal!" outcries.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 12:56 pm to dnm3305
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firearms
Lot of things change in 200+ years.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 12:59 pm to TheOcean
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We continue to collect illegal data daily on millions of citizens and we need fricking Disney to tip off the FBI.
Stolen from Twitter:
"Literally, Mickey Mouse is doing a better job keeping us safe than this administration and this federal government."
Posted on 6/14/16 at 12:59 pm to LoveThatMoney
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I am saying that something other than maintaining the status quo should be done.
why?
all the "low hanging fruit" regulations have been enacted. there are no more easy ones
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And lastly, I think a reading of the Second Amendment could easily argue that there is no individual right to bear arms, but that such right is vested in state militias. That argument has obviously failed so far, but it is there and would largely moot the gun control debate if the interpretation were to flip in that direction.
sure the government gets more power over our lives if we remove our freedoms. that's not a novel argument
the whole point of having these rights protected is to prevent emotional thinking from leading to drastic measures like you're suggesting
they protect us from ourselves, if you want
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the more and more I see the debate spiral out of control and the more violence due to guns I see in this country, the less sympathy I feel for the pro-gun collective, even as I once gave them my full throated support.
violence keeps going down, though
Posted on 6/14/16 at 1:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:The one tidbit ignored by these progressives. We are at one of the most peaceful times in our country's history.
violence keeps going down, though
Posted on 6/14/16 at 1:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
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violence keeps going down, though
The paradox
Posted on 6/14/16 at 1:08 pm to LoveThatMoney
quote:That isn't a paradox.
The paradox
Posted on 6/14/16 at 1:08 pm to LoveThatMoney
i don't see why it's a paradox unless you jut want to fight with reality b/c it doesn't fit how you thought the world is
Posted on 6/14/16 at 1:10 pm to LoveThatMoney
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the pro-gun collective
You mean the law-abiding citizens that own guns and don't go out committing gun crimes? Any further regulation would only hinder those people and not the ones using guns to commit crimes.
It's illegal to walk into a nightclub and murder 49 people... but that sure as shite didn't stop this guy from doing it. So what makes you think gun control laws would stop him?
We have a revolving door policy in this country with regards to criminals. How many of them commit gun crimes and get charged with a felony only to get out and commit another crime using a firearm. As a felon they cannot legally possess a firearm yet they don't let that bother them.
You can call for all the gun control legislation that you want but it's only going to effect people that actually follow the law.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 1:10 pm to LoveThatMoney
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special interest groups in Washington need to be curtailed. From the Sierra Group to the NRA.
Are we to ban all special interest groups from Washington or only the ones that some political side wants out of there?
Posted on 6/14/16 at 1:13 pm to LoveThatMoney
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the more violence due to guns I see in this country,
That's just the thing. This violence isn't due to guns. Guns are the tool. I know youre into fitness. Obesity is killing people in a much more frequent, tragic and senseless fashion than these random acts of violence by mentally ill people using guns as the tool. Normal people that otherwise are very capable in life are fat fricks that cant control their cravings when it comes to over eating. Do you think we should ban fast food? Let's ban the tool and not address the real problem, right?
Posted on 6/14/16 at 1:13 pm to Scruffy
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violence keeps going down, though
The one tidbit ignored by these progressives.
Just like with the Australia statistics he referenced a while ago. Their suicide rates had been on the decline a full decade before the gun ban. The gun-related and non gun-related suicide rates follow an almost identical curve even after the ban.
I find it amazing that people will actually believe that banning guns would stop someone from killing themselves.
"I was gonna commit suicide but since I can't use a gun I guess I won't do it now."
Posted on 6/14/16 at 1:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Exactly. It isn't a paradox if the world isn't the way you believe it to be.
i don't see why it's a paradox unless you jut want to fight with reality b/c it doesn't fit how you thought the world is
It just means that your concept of "reality" isn't actually reality.
This post was edited on 6/14/16 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 6/14/16 at 1:15 pm to LoveThatMoney
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Cue the "liberal!" outcries.
No doubt. You can claim the high road by claiming to be a moderate but it just ain't true. Your opinions place you right in the middle of the left. Being associated with their agendas does make one an official "liberal".
Claiming otherwise is a cop out.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 1:18 pm to terd ferguson
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Their suicide rates had been on the decline a full decade before the gun ban.
I did not fact check but if this true it is just one more indication of just how far the press has gone. It will cite data using only the parts that fit their liberal agenda. Dontcha just love Megan??
Posted on 6/14/16 at 1:35 pm to Scruffy
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That isn't a paradox
no, I know. It's definitely a knock against the idea that more control is needed, that's for sure. There are good arguments that suggest gun violence really isn't an issue to be fixed, as y'all have pointed out, which is part of why I used to be against changing the gun laws. Perhaps I just need to re-stiffen my resolve on that.
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