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re: "She says, 'Don't shoot me, I'm pregnant!. . . And I shot her anyway."
Posted on 7/25/14 at 3:16 pm to ForeverLSU02
Posted on 7/25/14 at 3:16 pm to ForeverLSU02
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Adams was later arrested and charged with residential robbery and felony murder in Miller's death. He is currently being held on $1.25 million bond.
commit a felony and someone gets killed that is the charge in a lot of states
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Posted on 7/25/14 at 3:18 pm to Topwater Trout
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commit a felony and someone gets killed that is the charge in a lot of states
Wonder since they are holding the fellow robber for murder if that means they won't be pressing charges on the old man.
This post was edited on 7/25/14 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 7/25/14 at 3:21 pm to tylercsbn9
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Wonder since they are holding the fellow robber for murder if that means they won't be pressing charges on the old man.
I don't see how he doesn't get charged...but they definitely can charge him. If 5 people committed the robbery and one person died they can all be charged....doesn't matter who killed the person either.
I first 48 bro
Posted on 7/25/14 at 4:01 pm to bradwieser
I understand where the view of "she got what she deserved" comes from, but neither disdain nor sympathy for the victim has anything to do with the cold blooded murder that was committed.
I can even abide shooting at them to scare them off if you still feel danger at a certain level.
But based on the words of the man himself he knew the victim had been shot already, was incapacitated and begging for her life. He chose to murder another human being out of vengeance for a property crime and doesn't seem to dispute it. As a civilized society we don't allow that.
The guy is no hero that stood up for himself. Maybe he was pushed into committing the crime and that mitigation should factor into his sentence, but no excuse for what he did.
I can even abide shooting at them to scare them off if you still feel danger at a certain level.
But based on the words of the man himself he knew the victim had been shot already, was incapacitated and begging for her life. He chose to murder another human being out of vengeance for a property crime and doesn't seem to dispute it. As a civilized society we don't allow that.
The guy is no hero that stood up for himself. Maybe he was pushed into committing the crime and that mitigation should factor into his sentence, but no excuse for what he did.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 4:21 pm to lsusa
No excuse for attacking the old man and trying to steal from him. We are far from a civilized society, look at all the heinous things that go on in the world.
She made the irresponsible choice to commit these crimes and she paid the price. We can argue the "semantics" of humanity all day long. I sincerely hope the elderly man is not charged so that a positive precedent can be set. That is if you attempt a home invasion, the homeowner has free range to take you out regardless if you try to run away, it may just deter some crimes.
She made the irresponsible choice to commit these crimes and she paid the price. We can argue the "semantics" of humanity all day long. I sincerely hope the elderly man is not charged so that a positive precedent can be set. That is if you attempt a home invasion, the homeowner has free range to take you out regardless if you try to run away, it may just deter some crimes.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 5:04 pm to lsusa
Don't commit battery on someone, don't get him in an adrenaline fueled fight or flight scenario and he wouldn't have shot anyone. Just because they are running doesn't mean he's still not jacked up in a defensive mode. He said they had been there twice before. This time they beat him down and were fleeing. What's to keep them from returning and beating him again?
Posted on 7/25/14 at 5:20 pm to KingRanch
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I hope the old guy doesn't get charged with anything
But if a cop had shot them everyone here would be screaming for his head
Posted on 7/25/14 at 5:24 pm to Topwater Trout
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Adams was later arrested and charged with residential robbery and felony murder in Miller's death. He is currently being held on $1.25 million bond.
I LOVE this law.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 5:35 pm to lsusa
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I understand where the view of "she got what she deserved" comes from, but neither disdain nor sympathy for the victim has anything to do with the cold blooded murder that was committed.
I can even abide shooting at them to scare them off if you still feel danger at a certain level.
But based on the words of the man himself he knew the victim had been shot already, was incapacitated and begging for her life. He chose to murder another human being out of vengeance for a property crime and doesn't seem to dispute it. As a civilized society we don't allow that.
The guy is no hero that stood up for himself. Maybe he was pushed into committing the crime and that mitigation should factor into his sentence, but no excuse for what he did.
She begged for her life, he took it.
I'm sure overseas our own soldiers take people's lives begging for it as well. I'm sure every person who 'begs' don't get taken as a POW.
Okay, it isn't the same war vs. home invasion, I understand that, but at the same time the things going through this guy's mind must have been about protecting himself and others in the future.
He lets them go, who else gets robbed? Who else gets injured? Who else can be possibly killed?
I don't want to pick a side because someone lost their life, no matter how tragic and dumb they may be. But his decision was proactive decision that was fueled out of revenge and thinking of the future. I just hope he doesn't get convicted of murder, he doesn't deserve that.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 5:41 pm to lsusa
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civilized society
Once you commit a crime against someone, you aren't entitled to civility in my opinion. You get whatever is coming g to you.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 5:43 pm to JOJO Hammer
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But if a cop had shot them everyone here would be screaming for his head
Only because 4 or 5 dogs would be dead as well
Posted on 7/25/14 at 10:47 pm to LesMiles BFF
God there are some awful people in this world. How is it possible for someone to actually have the opinion this guy did anything wrong?
What went so wrong in your lives that led to have the mentality to worry about the rights and well-being of thugs willing to break and enter, assault, and rob an elderly person multiple times?
Maybe he should have just asked them politely not to return.
What went so wrong in your lives that led to have the mentality to worry about the rights and well-being of thugs willing to break and enter, assault, and rob an elderly person multiple times?
Maybe he should have just asked them politely not to return.
This post was edited on 7/25/14 at 10:49 pm
Posted on 7/26/14 at 8:01 am to RandySavage
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An autopsy Friday determined that Miller was not pregnant, Los Angeles County coroner's spokesman Ed Winter said.
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Miller and Adams, who had histories of similar crimes, were unarmed, McDonnell said.
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But this case enters a gray area because Greer, by his own account, chased the burglars and fired at them outside his home as they were fleeing, Rosenthal said. Prosecutors will have to decide if the evidence shows the immediate threat had subsided by the time Greer fired again, or if he still could reasonably fear for his life.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 9:17 am to ForeverLSU02
Meth was probably involved
Posted on 7/26/14 at 9:20 am to castorinho
by the letter of the law, the old man definitely murdered the woman, but in reality he did the world a favor.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 9:25 am to RandySavage
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God there are some awful people in this world. How is it possible for someone to actually have the opinion this guy did anything wrong?
It's not really an opinion. According to California law, he could be charged with murder.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 9:29 am to ATLsuTiger
So her last words were also a lie. What a dbag.
This bodes well for the old man, right?
This bodes well for the old man, right?
This post was edited on 7/26/14 at 9:30 am
Posted on 7/26/14 at 10:13 am to forksup
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So her last words were also a lie. What a dbag.
Because you wouldn't plead and tell a lie to save your life?
She was a dbag for a lot of reasons but that seems pretty normal human behavior.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 10:37 am to forksup
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Under California law, homeowners have a right to protect themselves with deadly force inside their homes and in the immediate vicinity — such as a patio — if they feel they are in imminent danger of great bodily injury or death, said Lawrence Rosenthal, a former federal prosecutor who teaches law at Chapman University.
I think the first shot was ok, IF, he felt a danger of great bodily harm or death. That second shot however, from the given evidence, is simply premeditated murder. He knew she was unarmed, injured and pleading for her life... that equals zero threat to the old man. I applaud the old man for trying to defend his home but he went waaay too far.
Why not install an alarm system after the first robbery? Maybe set up cameras after the second? It's not up to the victim of an unarmed robbery to be the judge, jury and executioner.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 11:40 am to brass2mouth
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Once you commit a crime against someone, you aren't entitled to civility in my opinion. You get whatever is coming g to you
Boom.
She made that decision to take another persons property illegally. Many states give us the right to defend that property with deadly force. She paid the price for a bad choice - period.
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