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re: Poll - If a person has a gun, when do you shoot them?
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:43 pm to yoga girl
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:43 pm to yoga girl
I'd be willing to bet you would have shot him even quicker than the police did. Anybody yapping about waiting until he pulled a gun, or a had a firm grasp on the gun, or any other BS is full of shite. It's real easy to watch a video and say what you would have done different. The VERY second most people felt fear, they'd do what it took to survive. And that includes emptying the magazine. The fact that our officers are well trained is the very reason more people AREN'T shot by them. They have better restraint than the average person.
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Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:44 pm to yoga girl
If he even looks like he's going to touch his weapon, I'm shooting. If he's willing to die, so be it. I'm not.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:46 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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Those cops still killed that man WITHOUT sufficient provocation, IMHO.
That hasn't been proven.
Even if it turns out that you're statement is true, the likelihood of me getting shot by police is very minimal if I'm polite/civil, and I comply with the officer's instructions.
However, the chances of me getting shot by police sky rocket when I start being belligerent, engage the officer(s) physically and resist arrest. ESPECIALLY if I have a weapon on me.
Whether or not deadly force was needed remains to be seen, however one thing remains true (or at worst highly probable), if Alton Sterling had simply put his hands behind his back and allowed the officers to take him in, he could have had justice via his day in court.
While you're being arrested is not the appropriate time to take action as it pertains to your guilt or innocence.
This post was edited on 7/19/16 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:46 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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This should not result in a reasonable person to fear for his life. These guys shot themselves in the leg/foot.
Yea, imagine if that gun was pointed at a cop who was sitting on his legs... oh wait....
quote:Yea, this has been disproven, the arm that just so happens to be on the same side as the gun was free. When he successfully pulled it from the officer is when the officer drew, there was at least a half dozen threads on here with the stills of that sequence being shown.
Each was restraining one arm while sitting on top of him.
quote:Sterling could have easily shot the cop if his hand found the trigger (even without putting his hand in his pocket) where the cop was sitting their is a good chance it could have hit his femoral artery.
Nowhere have I seen where those police lives were in jeopardy.
You can argue that they possibly put themselves in that situation by not waiting on backup, but once that sequence played out the shooting was absolutely justified.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:47 pm to jbgleason
C.
But if you have a gun on you and even give a cop a little lip, then you're probably up to no good and it's on you.
But if you have a gun on you and even give a cop a little lip, then you're probably up to no good and it's on you.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:49 pm to yoga girl
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E.
I hope you are never on a jury where a cop's future is in jeopardy for a "good shoot".
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:50 pm to Mindenfan
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If he even looks like he's going to touch his weapon, I'm shooting. If he's willing to die, so be it. I'm not.
You should never be licensed to carry a firearm. You are not mentally prepared.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:50 pm to Scooba
What about this scenario - cop pulls up to find person with gun already in hand, not pointed at cop.
What is police protocol here? It seems like cop should draw on person and demand they drop weapon, not automatically shoot first. The person could be a homeowner defending against scary persons, could be someone doing target shooting, could be a kid with an airsoft. But this gets hairy if the person makes any kind of tiny movement while still holding the gun, including instinctively putting hands up.
What is police protocol here? It seems like cop should draw on person and demand they drop weapon, not automatically shoot first. The person could be a homeowner defending against scary persons, could be someone doing target shooting, could be a kid with an airsoft. But this gets hairy if the person makes any kind of tiny movement while still holding the gun, including instinctively putting hands up.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:51 pm to jbgleason
C.
B can be justified, but will receive a lot of backfire from the community.
Well apparently C too.... But people are just stupid. So it doesn't matter. They'd disagree even if a thug was shooting at the cops. "He was a good kid" "He dindu nuffin" (actually happened on the Westbank a couple years back. I was a block away from it when it happened. When the dude was pulled over for possession, and drove off with a gun. And then he got out and started shooting AT the police. And they picked him off. The family said he was a good kid. Even though there was plenty of video evidence that showed him running and shooting at the officers. Luckily, the only bullets that hit their targets were the police's bullets
No riots, but social media had a little spike of "He was a good kid, why did the cops have to shoot him?" Type posts.
B can be justified, but will receive a lot of backfire from the community.
Well apparently C too.... But people are just stupid. So it doesn't matter. They'd disagree even if a thug was shooting at the cops. "He was a good kid" "He dindu nuffin" (actually happened on the Westbank a couple years back. I was a block away from it when it happened. When the dude was pulled over for possession, and drove off with a gun. And then he got out and started shooting AT the police. And they picked him off. The family said he was a good kid. Even though there was plenty of video evidence that showed him running and shooting at the officers. Luckily, the only bullets that hit their targets were the police's bullets
No riots, but social media had a little spike of "He was a good kid, why did the cops have to shoot him?" Type posts.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:52 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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You should never be licensed to carry a firearm. You are not mentally prepared.
You don't seem mentally prepared to make informed opinions based off your posts in this thread, yet here you are.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:53 pm to AwesomeSauce
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there was at least a half dozen threads on here with the stills of that sequence being shown.
I'd really like to see those, if you can find one. Not trying to be argumentative.
I saw original unedited raw video footage that looked like his left hand (at least) was in a conciliatory position. it was on twitter, cant find it now.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:53 pm to LNCHBOX
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LNCHBOX
GO AWAY
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:54 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
No.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:55 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:55 pm to LSUBFA83
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What is police protocol here? It seems like cop should draw on person and demand they drop weapon, not automatically shoot first.
I would imagine it depends on the scenario:
1) Perpetrator is actually firing the gun, the officer should take him out
2) Perpetrator is aiming the gun at other people, I'd be okay if the officer takes him out, but I'm betting protocol is to instruct the perpetrator to drop the weapon
3) Perpetrator has the gun in hand, but at his side and/or not pointing at anyone, the officer should instruct the perpetrator to drop the weapon.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:55 pm to dnm3305
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If a person has a gun drawn on you and pointed at your chest, would you consider yourself in imminent danger?
Yes, but having "a gun drawn" is not "starting" a draw.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:55 pm to LSUBFA83
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What about this scenario - cop pulls up to find person with gun already in hand, not pointed at cop.
What is police protocol here? It seems like cop should draw on person and demand they drop weapon, not automatically shoot first. The person could be a homeowner defending against scary persons, could be someone doing target shooting, could be a kid with an airsoft. But this gets hairy if the person makes any kind of tiny movement while still holding the gun, including instinctively putting hands up.
Cops need to exercise better discretion when discharging weapons. Period.
Can't handle it, don't be a cop.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:56 pm to yoga girl
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yoga girl
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E.
Can someone please look into the IP address for this username???
I am generally curious as to whether the poster is truly dumb as dogshit or a quite dedicated troll.
This post was edited on 7/19/16 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:56 pm to yoga girl
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Yes, but having "a gun drawn" is not "starting" a draw.
By the time your brain processed what happened, a bullet would be on it's way to you already.
And the world would be better for it.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:57 pm to Five0
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FIFY to conform with current case law.
Good revision
I'm not certain it would go poorly, but I don't think it would be at all wise for some officer to ever testify that he killed a suspect because of one of the acts in the OP occurred and that's when his training told him it was time to shoot.
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