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re: Poll - If a person has a gun, when do you shoot them?
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:57 pm to LSUBFA83
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:57 pm to LSUBFA83
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It seems like cop should draw on person and demand they drop weapon
This is pretty straightforward. Anything less than following direct orders could lead to injury or death. Officer should absolutely have weapon drawn and ready.
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Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:58 pm to roadGator
I've seen it.
Cops should be trained to do better than an "Activist", don't you think?
Cops should be trained to do better than an "Activist", don't you think?
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:59 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
You are hopeless.
Hate on my man.
Hate on my man.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:59 pm to LNCHBOX
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By the time your brain processed what happened, a bullet would be on it's way to you already.
All I did was vote for my choice "E". I really didn't want to get into a debate.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 4:01 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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All this is true. Those cops still killed that man WITHOUT sufficient provocation, IMHO.
The thing that most of you don't realize, I'm assuming you're talking about Sterling, is that because this man had a record, he was probably well known by officers that frequently patrolled that area. It doesn't take long for consistent offenders to have a poor reputation and had these cops known that he has caused issues with previous encounters they would have been on heightened alert. I see no reason they should wait for a felon to draw aim and squeeze a trigger before taking defensive action.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 4:01 pm to roadGator
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Hate on my man.
Not hating. Asking for more discretion. Is that not allowed?
Seems like a lot of people feel it is a reasonable request.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 4:02 pm to jbgleason
I've been thinking about this in light of the press release by the LSP's investigation of the BR shooting. They said witnesses noticed the shooter, with a rifle, looking into a police car and pointing his weapon a a potential cop inside. I've been thinking what would happen if I were a bystander and saw this and decided to engage the suspect prior to the action if I would be in some sort of trouble.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 4:02 pm to yoga girl
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All I did was vote for my choice "E". I really didn't want to get into a debate.
Kind of why I started the thread. Now that you have seen some reasoning as to why E is potentially a bad choice, would you change your mind?
Posted on 7/19/16 at 4:03 pm to jbgleason
It depends on the totality of circumstances.
If my command is to "stop don't come any closer" and they are continuing to charge me the answer is A.
If my command is to stop and they are moving to an area that would conceal or prohibit my line of fire or an area with others that may be harmed then A.
If you are resisting physically at all (fighting, shoving, hitting, kicking) other than running away then the answer is B. because at any moment you may decide to use the firearm or simply overpower me and make it impossible for me to defend myself against the use of your firearm.
All other options C and above may result in officer death and deadly force is warranted.
If my command is to "stop don't come any closer" and they are continuing to charge me the answer is A.
If my command is to stop and they are moving to an area that would conceal or prohibit my line of fire or an area with others that may be harmed then A.
If you are resisting physically at all (fighting, shoving, hitting, kicking) other than running away then the answer is B. because at any moment you may decide to use the firearm or simply overpower me and make it impossible for me to defend myself against the use of your firearm.
All other options C and above may result in officer death and deadly force is warranted.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 4:04 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
If you can't see the challenge of these encounters after watching that video then I don't know what to tell you. You keep saying discretion like it's not happening now. Discretion seems weird when speaking about a life and death situation.
Non-compliance with an armed officer while toting a gun or simulating toting a gun is suicide IMO.
Non-compliance with an armed officer while toting a gun or simulating toting a gun is suicide IMO.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 4:06 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
Posted on 7/19/16 at 4:08 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
quote:Not as soon as he twitches.
When do you get to fire? As soon as he twitches?
But as soon as you feel that he is going for the gun.
Talking about it, it's really not that difficult to grasp. Now in the field in that moment, obviously that shite is tough.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 4:09 pm to Scooba
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this man had a record, he was probably well known by officers that frequently patrolled that area. It doesn't take long for consistent offenders to have a poor reputation and had these cops known that he has caused issues with previous encounters
This is 100% pure speculation on your part.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 4:11 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
And this
is speculation on your part. Since no one knows what was really going on with his free right arm.
quote:
WITHOUT sufficient provocation
is speculation on your part. Since no one knows what was really going on with his free right arm.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 4:12 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
quote:In the case of Alton Sterling, the cop was standing...at his feet.
This should not result in a reasonable person to fear for his life. These guys shot themselves in the leg/foot
quote:So, you're 100% certain Sterling was NOT going for his gun?
Two cops were wrestling one man. Each was restraining one arm while sitting on top of him. We have multiple videos of the incident. Nowhere have I seen where those police lives were in jeopardy.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 4:13 pm to terd ferguson
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Is there a camera?
Posted on 7/19/16 at 4:15 pm to AwesomeSauce
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AwesomeSauce
Thanks for taking the time. I CAN see his arm is free in frame #1. How in the hell could that be? I still do not understand that.
Anyway, given his active resistance, him being armed and him having that arm free, I would have to trust the officers in that situation if they said he was going for his gun. They obviously tried several non-lethal methods of restraint prior to resorting to lethal means.
I WOULD NOT CONVICT.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 4:17 pm to shel311
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So, you're 100% certain Sterling was NOT going for his gun?
I'm not 100% certain of anything. Are you?
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In the case of Alton Sterling, the cop was standing...at his feet.
Both cops were laying on top of Alton trying there best to restrain him. I guess their best wasn't good enough.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 4:18 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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I WOULD NOT CONVICT.
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