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re: Police Officer Smashes Car Window After Refusal to Roll it Down
Posted on 7/20/16 at 10:45 am to LNCHBOX
Posted on 7/20/16 at 10:45 am to LNCHBOX
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The better question is why she felt the need to not comply at all in the first place.
I don't understand why people are defending her lack of complying especially knowing what it resulted in.
If you keep fricking with a dog and the dog keeps getting more angry, you can't blame anyone but yourself if that dog bites you.
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Posted on 7/20/16 at 10:49 am to OweO
I didn't watch the video, so I don't know how this specific situation played out. However, I don't have a problem with someone only leaving enough space for you and the cop to pass stuff through.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 10:49 am to TopHog1
quote:Maybe every state differs, but she actually isn't legally obligated to roll the window down.
Yes she has to legally roll the window down. She was being detained for a violation.
That being said, the officer can then legally order her out of the car, and that she has to comply with.
At least that's my understanding.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 10:50 am to OweO
quote:Could be wrong, but I don't think anyone is defending her rolling the window up and generally refusing to get out of the car.
I don't understand why people are defending her lack of complying especially knowing what it resulted in.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 10:51 am to shel311
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but I don't think anyone is defending her rolling the window up and generally refusing to get out of the car.
BMath sure seemed to even though he initially said he wasn't.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 10:51 am to pvilleguru
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I didn't watch the video
Then why comment?
Posted on 7/20/16 at 10:54 am to LNCHBOX
quote:His quotes from the 1st page:
BMath sure seemed to even though he initially said he wasn't.
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Please roll down your window is not a lawful order in Florida. However, according to the Supreme Court, he did give a lawful order once he asked her to exit the vehicle.
Now, I will not excuse her actions of locking herself in the car. That was childish and uncalled for. At that point I understand why he broke the window and detained her.
Kind of the opposite of what you said, no?
Posted on 7/20/16 at 10:54 am to shel311
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His quotes from the 1st page:
This thread is longer than a page, no?
Posted on 7/20/16 at 10:54 am to LNCHBOX
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Then why comment?
Because a lot of people were saying, "Just do what the cop says."
Posted on 7/20/16 at 10:55 am to pvilleguru
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Because a lot of people were saying, "Just do what the cop says."
Maybe that's the right call after watching the video. Crazy idea, I know.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 10:57 am to OweO
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If you keep fricking with a dog and the dog keeps getting more angry, you can't blame anyone but yourself if that dog bites you.
Does that make it OK when the "dog" bites you?
Posted on 7/20/16 at 10:58 am to slackster
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Does that make it OK when the "dog" bites you?
Yes. Especially in this case where the person broke the law by not complying with the order to exit the vehicle. But you didn't watch the video, so what would you know?
Posted on 7/20/16 at 11:00 am to LNCHBOX
You have to think about your own safety first, and that includes the possibility that it isn't actually a cop. If I'm a woman and I'm alone, I'm going to be wary of anyone that pulls me over. Unless you are trying to arrest me, you can speak through the same 3" gap I just passed my license and registration through. If the cop can't do that, then he/she's a shitty cop.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 11:00 am to LNCHBOX
quote:He made 1 post after page 1 of this thread, none of it addressed or insinuated anything that would be thought of as him defending her actions of rolling the window up and refusing to get out of the vehicle.
This thread is longer than a page, no?
Posted on 7/20/16 at 11:01 am to pvilleguru
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You have to think about your own safety first, and that includes the possibility that it isn't actually a cop.
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If I'm a woman and I'm alone, I'm going to be wary of anyone that pulls me over.
Double
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Unless you are trying to arrest me
Should have watched the video maybe.
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If the cop can't do that, then he/she's a shitty cop.
Watch the fricking video.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 11:02 am to shel311
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one of it addressed or insinuated anything that would be thought of as him defending her actions of rolling the window up and refusing to get out of the vehicle.
Actually it could IMO.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 11:04 am to slackster
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but it shouldn't be used to excuse shoddy police work at the same time.
I agree.
However, as I've gotten older, I've realized that 1) Bad and unfair situations arise 2) I can only control my own actions.
If an officer asks me to do something, I may be well within my rights to decline. However, my exercising of my rights is going to cause more headaches than if I had just complied with his request.
It may not be fair, he may not be justified in taking action against me, but it's the situation that life has presented to me, and I'm willing to accept that and make choices for myself that keep me out of trouble and avoid confrontation with law enforcement, even if I'm well within my rights to do otherwise.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 11:05 am to LNCHBOX
quote:I don't think any rational person can read this and say, yep he just defended her decision to roll the window up and defended her decision to not exit the vehicle:
Actually it could IMO
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He could have easily slipped the clipboard in without putting his fingers in danger.
Even had she closed his fingers in the window:
A) It's not going to hurt him as they are designed not to do so
B) She would in fact be assaulting him at that point
Yes, she was being difficult, but she was within her rights to not roll the window all the way down
The post actually states she's committing assault if she rolls the window up on his finger, hardly seems like defending when he's saying it would be committing a crime in doing so.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 11:06 am to shel311
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He could have easily slipped the clipboard in without putting his fingers in danger.
Even had she closed his fingers in the window:
I'm rational, and I can take the above as defense, even with the part B.
inb4yousayi'mnotrational
ETA: I'm not going to argue this minuscule point with you any longer, so feel free to have the last word on it. On page 1 he says he's not defending her actions, then his next two posts do exactly that.
This post was edited on 7/20/16 at 11:08 am
Posted on 7/20/16 at 11:07 am to dcrews
quote:The problem is that it should not cause you more headaches if your requests/words are well within your rights.
If an officer asks me to do something, I may be well within my rights to decline. However, my exercising of my rights is going to cause more headaches than if I had just complied with his request.
Again, I'm with you, I'm going to comply as well on the small things even if I think I'm well within my right not to. The issue is the person that does defend their rights, they should not be treated any differently or harshly because they exercised their rights. That's the bigger issue.
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