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re: Poker board: What is the strategy to playing a middle pair in Hold 'Em?
Posted on 7/31/15 at 5:08 pm to TheOcean
Posted on 7/31/15 at 5:08 pm to TheOcean
Are we talking about tournaments?
Also, I saw you mention 6 players. Raising any pair UTG is pretty standard short handed so my previous post about full ring doesn't apply here.
Also, I saw you mention 6 players. Raising any pair UTG is pretty standard short handed so my previous post about full ring doesn't apply here.
This post was edited on 7/31/15 at 5:10 pm
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Posted on 7/31/15 at 5:10 pm to illuminatic
My post had to do with cash games or tournaments, minus ICM calculations on the bubble and very, very specific situations deep in tournaments. 66-99 are only ever going to not be raised UTG due to ICM bubbling
Posted on 7/31/15 at 5:10 pm to AdamDeMamp
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3-4 times the big blind (obviously assuming you're first to act). If you've had a raise and a re-raise before you, then you have a decision to make.
If there is big action in front of me I will usually muck TBH and live to fight another hand.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 5:11 pm to illuminatic
Raising any PP UTG FR or 6m = 100% standard. Any limit.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 5:12 pm to illuminatic
Mainly online but could be live also/
Posted on 7/31/15 at 5:13 pm to TheOcean
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My post had to do with cash games or tournaments
Your entire post applies ONLY to tournaments. The only reason to mention ICM in this thread is to announce that you know about ICM.
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Mainly online but could be live also
Oh well that changes everything. Online 6 max, every PP should be raised no question. IDK what standard raise sizing is these days but an open is a must there.
This post was edited on 7/31/15 at 5:16 pm
Posted on 7/31/15 at 5:14 pm to illuminatic
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Your entire post applies ONLY to tournaments.
You've just outted yourself on being a bad player. The math behind raising any PP UTG in any cash game has been sound for a very, very long time. You're playing wayyyy too tight and -EV if you think otherwise
Now if the OP can't play profitably post flop, then that's a different story
This post was edited on 7/31/15 at 5:16 pm
Posted on 7/31/15 at 5:14 pm to weagle99
I normally play tournaments, so I would normally be full tabled, unless it was an online 6 max turbo. Anyway, I would 3x raise and hope I get heads up with non-pair overcards. Hopefully hit a set or a flop with no overcards. If I don't hit a set, I would lead out with a continuation bet of half the pot. If there are overcards, you might be able to steal the pot. If I get called and feel weak, I might tap the brakes and minimize my losses on the hand. At that point, it's really situational.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 5:18 pm to TheOcean
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You've just outted yourself on being a bad player. The math behind raising any PP UTG in any cash game has been sound for a very, very long time. You're playing wayyyy too tight and -EV if you think otherwise
What does ICM have to do with cash games again?
I edited my post. Online 6 max, OP should absolutely be opening any PP UTG. Live full ring, there are absolutely situations where small pocket pairs are not a profitable open.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 5:19 pm to illuminatic
Your reading comp is poor
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there are absolutely situations where small pocket pairs are not a profitable open.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 5:20 pm to TheOcean
My thoughts exactly.
You play online strictly don't you?
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Live full ring
You play online strictly don't you?
This post was edited on 7/31/15 at 5:25 pm
Posted on 7/31/15 at 5:20 pm to illuminatic
Yeah I raise but while my instinct is to make a big move to push people off I hesistate b/c of what could happen on the flop.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 5:25 pm to weagle99
Definitely raise preflop when first to act. In that small of a game you are pretty strong.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 5:38 pm to weagle99
OK hand pre flop with a small number of players so bet to get the other wannabes out before the flop if you want to play and are in a good position.
If it doesn't play well post flop depending on how many people stick around have the discipline to fold.
If it doesn't play well post flop depending on how many people stick around have the discipline to fold.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 5:44 pm to weagle99
What limit game? Limit or nl? How are you running? Table image? What types of players?
You'll play it differently everytime.
You'll play it differently everytime.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 5:54 pm to TSLG
Someone needs to reinstate lanoix and get him in here to answer this.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 5:57 pm to Boomshockalocka
Holy cow there are some bad poker players in this thread
Posted on 7/31/15 at 6:01 pm to tigercraig
Mr. Know it all ocean strikes again. But still no clue what he is talking about. .
Posted on 7/31/15 at 6:03 pm to TigerBait2008
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Mr. Know it all ocean strikes again. But still no clue what he is talking about. .
Dying to hear your take so I can get a good laugh
Posted on 7/31/15 at 6:10 pm to TheOcean
Your raise any pair comment as an absolute is terrible advice.
So much more info is needed to make such an absolute statement. How is table post flop? How likely are you to take down the pot with a flop bet if you miss your set (which will happen 88% of time. Are people at this table floating flop cont bets? Are you going to continuation bet all flops of any texture? How often is the table 3-betting preflop?
So much more info is needed to make such an absolute statement. How is table post flop? How likely are you to take down the pot with a flop bet if you miss your set (which will happen 88% of time. Are people at this table floating flop cont bets? Are you going to continuation bet all flops of any texture? How often is the table 3-betting preflop?
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