re: Petition to "Wait Until 8th [grade]" to buy cell phones

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With regard to driving skill, I'd love for you to show me that data.

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so you want data from all the studies comparing 12 year olds driving skill to that of adults. Do we include risk avoidance scenarios, or just the ability to parallel park?

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You're the one who arbitrarily chose 12 to try to make this point, so you tell me

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I have, repeatedly. 12 year olds lack the emotional and psychological maturity/development to be responsible for driving on public roads. All of them. I dont care if they are 6 foot 1 with chest hair, or wearing a 34c bra.

The same reasons that most if not all 13 year olds, hitting their first stages of puberty, make some terrible decisions with mobile technology.

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I have, repeatedly. 12 year olds lack the emotional and psychological maturity/development to be responsible for driving on public roads. All of them. I dont care if they are 6 foot 1 with chest hair, or wearing a 34c bra.

The same reasons that most if not all 13 year olds, hitting their first stages of puberty, make some terrible decisions with mobile technology.

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So you refuse to look at the individual and instead want to just rely on the arbitrary number you picked. Congrats on completely whiffing on everything I said in this thread.

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you didn't say anything

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I said plenty. You just didn't bother to respond to any of it.

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except you recommend getting a kid a phone so they don't get made fun of....leaving the decision on when a kid is ready to their classmates and their poor behavior.

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I didn't say leave it to the classmates. That's you just making your own inference.

And again, you're completely ignoring something I said to go off on another tangent.

Lots of helicopter parents in this thread. I feel bad for your kids.

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I didn't say leave it to the classmates. That's you just making your own inference.

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No, it is what you said.

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I think it's ridiculous. You want to have the kid that gets made fun of for being the only one without a phone?

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So in your initial post in this thread, you indicated that every kid needs have a phone by a certain age to avoid negative social stigma. You later changed your argument to individualism. You started by inferring everyone act in the collective.

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No, it is what you said.

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That's not what that sentence means.

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you indicated that every kid needs have a phone by a certain age to avoid negative social stigma. You later changed your argument to individualism. You started by inferring everyone act in the collective.

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If you say so. It's very clear you're hell bent on only looking at snippets of what I say.

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What did you mean then?

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Not what you say I did. I'm over trying to get you to see any light in this thread. It's a fruitless endeavour.

I'm not a big fan of using some arbitrary age or grade to decide when your kid is responsible enough for a phone. You should know your kids well enough to know when they are ready and be prepared to do some actual parenting when it come to acceptable usage guidelines.