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OT Lawyers and Cops question
Posted on 6/23/17 at 7:15 am
Posted on 6/23/17 at 7:15 am
So finally after two years of going through the same intersection every day I finally got popped on the photo enforced bullshite.
They make it extremely inconvenient to fight it so I paid the 75 bucks already. This morning however got me to thinking.
The charge on the mail was failure to stop at a red light.
The intersection is 4 lanes in which lane 4 (the one I was in) is a dedicated right turn lane.
I watched the video they have and at the start it shows a van stopped in front of me at the light, then makes his right turn. I follow behind him and start to inch forward to check to see if any there's any oncoming traffic (which there was not) and make my turn. From the time stamp it takes 3 seconds to complete the maneuver.
Could I have argued that I was clearly stopped at a red light due to the fact I was behind someone at the start of the video and only moved to check and make my turn?
tl:dr
frick cameras, paid 75 dollar ticket
They make it extremely inconvenient to fight it so I paid the 75 bucks already. This morning however got me to thinking.
The charge on the mail was failure to stop at a red light.
The intersection is 4 lanes in which lane 4 (the one I was in) is a dedicated right turn lane.
I watched the video they have and at the start it shows a van stopped in front of me at the light, then makes his right turn. I follow behind him and start to inch forward to check to see if any there's any oncoming traffic (which there was not) and make my turn. From the time stamp it takes 3 seconds to complete the maneuver.
Could I have argued that I was clearly stopped at a red light due to the fact I was behind someone at the start of the video and only moved to check and make my turn?
tl:dr
frick cameras, paid 75 dollar ticket
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Posted on 6/23/17 at 7:17 am to 50_Tiger
Never pay a camera ticket, frick those companies.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 7:17 am to 50_Tiger
quote:
I paid the 75 bucks already
You admitted guilt. Should have thrown that ticket in the trash.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 7:19 am to PaperPaintball92
Well I don't want a bench warrant for a fricking traffic ticket.
And to be quite honest, I am not sure how these photo enforcement shits work. There was a cop and his badge number listed in the documentation from Irving PD
And to be quite honest, I am not sure how these photo enforcement shits work. There was a cop and his badge number listed in the documentation from Irving PD
Posted on 6/23/17 at 7:19 am to 50_Tiger
Call Alexander Shunamuaranarahrah
Posted on 6/23/17 at 7:19 am to LucasP
Red light companies are like beggars at a stop light. Giving them money just encourages them to harass others. Cut them off and they will go away.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 7:25 am to 50_Tiger
I got one here in West Palm, fought it and while mine was pending they declared them unconstitutional under Florida law. Case dismissed 
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 7:26 am
Posted on 6/23/17 at 7:30 am to 50_Tiger
Texas traffic code says:
An operator of a vehicle facing only a steady red signal shall stop at a clearly marked stop line. In the absence of a stop line, the operator shall stop before entering the crosswalk on the near side of the intersection. ... After stopping, standing until the intersection may be entered safely, and yielding right-of-way to pedestrians lawfully in an adjacent crosswalk and other traffic lawfully using the intersection, the operator may:
(1) turn right;
**
Did you do that? It doesn't sound like it.
An operator of a vehicle facing only a steady red signal shall stop at a clearly marked stop line. In the absence of a stop line, the operator shall stop before entering the crosswalk on the near side of the intersection. ... After stopping, standing until the intersection may be entered safely, and yielding right-of-way to pedestrians lawfully in an adjacent crosswalk and other traffic lawfully using the intersection, the operator may:
(1) turn right;
**
Did you do that? It doesn't sound like it.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 7:31 am to 50_Tiger
quote:
bench warrant
I've had three of these camera tickets sent to my house. I throw them in the trash upon arrival. They would send me about three notifications per ticket claiming they were going to turn me over to collections etc. I never acknowledged that I received the letters and I have suffered no consequences. I don't think they can create a bench warrant for camera tickets.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 7:36 am to Twenty 49
quote:
Texas traffic code says:
An operator of a vehicle facing only a steady red signal shall stop at a clearly marked stop line. In the absence of a stop line, the operator shall stop before entering the crosswalk on the near side of the intersection. ... After stopping, standing until the intersection may be entered safely, and yielding right-of-way to pedestrians lawfully in an adjacent crosswalk and other traffic lawfully using the intersection, the operator may:
(1) turn right;
**
Did you do that? It doesn't sound like it.
I wish there was a way to post the avi.
Without arguing things such as the degree of the turn, obstruction of view, blah blah blah....
The answer is I was at a complete stop behind the van at the red light. He turned, I moved up, inched forward to check (due to obstructions), and made my turn.
But no you are right once it was my time to turn even if it was inching forward to check traffic, I did not come to a complete stop to make my turn.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 7:37 am to PaperPaintball92
quote:
I've had three of these camera tickets sent to my house. I throw them in the trash upon arrival. They would send me about three notifications per ticket claiming they were going to turn me over to collections etc. I never acknowledged that I received the letters and I have suffered no consequences. I don't think they can create a bench warrant for camera tickets.
I believe you. I also watch too much LivePD and dont want to be one of those frickheads who are shocked when they say they have a warrant out. This is my kind of luck lol.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 8:00 am to 50_Tiger
Your argument should be that they cannot prove that it was you driving...not that the maneuver was legal.
The burden of proof is on them to prove who the driver was and they can't cite the vehicle for a moving violation
The burden of proof is on them to prove who the driver was and they can't cite the vehicle for a moving violation
Posted on 6/23/17 at 8:05 am to 50_Tiger
They won't put a bench warrant out for the camera tickets, but if you use public parking they will tow your car and hold it until you pay for the tow and the outstanding tickets. It's complete BS
Posted on 6/23/17 at 8:11 am to CrazyCow202
Yeah, there are no criminal consequences for camera tickets.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 8:15 am to 50_Tiger
So the ticket came from Irving PD and not a private company?
Posted on 6/23/17 at 8:18 am to 50_Tiger
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This post was edited on 6/24/17 at 12:05 am
Posted on 6/23/17 at 8:25 am to jbgleason
quote:
Red light companies are like beggars at a stop light. Giving them money just encourages them to harass others. Cut them off and they will go away.
Good analogy, but at least the beggars provide a sense of charity in the contributor. In that way, they're actually better than these fricking scum scam companies.
There's a special place in hell for these people, again frick these companies.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 8:28 am to 50_Tiger
Why did you even bother with the damn thing? Next time mail it back with a big frick you.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 8:30 am to CrazyCow202
quote:
They won't put a bench warrant out for the camera tickets, but if you use public parking they will tow your car and hold it until you pay for the tow and the outstanding tickets. It's complete BS
this. Have several camera tickets myself from around Nola, Gretna, Kennah, etc over the yrs. Use private garages to make sure I'm not booted/towed.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 8:31 am to 50_Tiger
I tell my kids to always stop 2 times at these intersections for this reason
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