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Not allowing people to make mistakes - does it create a bullying society?
Posted on 5/11/16 at 9:41 am
Posted on 5/11/16 at 9:41 am
Dad and I were discussing this last night. He had an employee who made a bad judgment call. The employee's decision was made under great time pressure. I asked Dad if he was going to fire the guy, and Dad said no. "He made the wrong call but under great time pressure, and if I punish people for making a wrong, but reasonable decision under pressure they'll quit making decisions."
Dad said he also had an employee say "n rig" at work. The h.r. manager wanted to fire the employee, but his black co-workers said he apologized and they were cool with him. If it became public, some group would demand a firing.
Isn't this what we are doing now with speech? Someone says something stupid and some group will call for harsh and immediate punishment. Don Imus - he seems like a huge prick but they are going to fire a shock jock for saying "nappy headed hos." The West Point cadets. We see an example every day on social media.
By allowing social media and pressure groups to dictate how we respond to people saying or doing stupid things, aren't we creating bullies?
Dad said he also had an employee say "n rig" at work. The h.r. manager wanted to fire the employee, but his black co-workers said he apologized and they were cool with him. If it became public, some group would demand a firing.
Isn't this what we are doing now with speech? Someone says something stupid and some group will call for harsh and immediate punishment. Don Imus - he seems like a huge prick but they are going to fire a shock jock for saying "nappy headed hos." The West Point cadets. We see an example every day on social media.
By allowing social media and pressure groups to dictate how we respond to people saying or doing stupid things, aren't we creating bullies?
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Posted on 5/11/16 at 9:42 am to yoga girl
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Dad and I were discussing this last night
How did he feel? He should know all about mistakes...
...read the rest of your post and you're not wrong...this is so weird for me...
This post was edited on 5/11/16 at 9:44 am
Posted on 5/11/16 at 9:43 am to yoga girl
Your dad sounds like a good man, that's smart decision making right there.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 9:45 am to Mizzoufan26
Your Dad's reply was spot fricking on with regard to allowing people to make mistakes with their decisions. That's a life lesson in general.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 9:47 am to yoga girl
I'd be so disappointed if I were you father.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 9:47 am to yoga girl
i think its making a pussified society. sorry for my french.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 9:47 am to yoga girl
This post weirds me out, you're correct.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 9:49 am to yoga girl
Your dad speaks in run on sentences.
Poor grammar.
Unacceptable.
Kill it with fire.
Poor grammar.
Unacceptable.
Kill it with fire.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 9:49 am to yoga girl
Funny how anti bullying was the big message a year or two ago, and now anyone who doesn't fall in line with the left's political beliefs gets bullied to no end.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 9:49 am to yoga girl
I don't know what mistakes have to do with bullying, so I don't get the linkage you're trying to make there.
On the other hand, if you don't allow folks the freedom to make mistakes, they won't learn and will become risk averse. When risk is avoided, so is reward.
As far as your broader point about speech "codes" - they're completely against what America stands for. Folks ought to be free to speak their minds. Let the chips fall where they may. Anything can be construed to be offensive if one tries hard enough.
Assuming you are talking about the black females with the "Black Power" fist photo? That's bullshite. There are things you cannot do in uniform and on duty. That's one of them, but they get a pass - well, you know why. I don't expect you to understand the difference there, but this is a clear exception to freedom of expression.
Most millenials seem to be either speech code enforcing bullies OR cowed by the bullies into at least substantial compliance. There are a few free-thinkers though.
And this didn't happen by accident. It is by design. Freedoms are not taken by force - they're chipped away by progressives in academia, media, the courts and bureaucrats. One wakes up one day and realizes, "What kind of world do I live in when I can only hate a man if he's white?"
On the other hand, if you don't allow folks the freedom to make mistakes, they won't learn and will become risk averse. When risk is avoided, so is reward.
As far as your broader point about speech "codes" - they're completely against what America stands for. Folks ought to be free to speak their minds. Let the chips fall where they may. Anything can be construed to be offensive if one tries hard enough.
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The West Point cadets.
Assuming you are talking about the black females with the "Black Power" fist photo? That's bullshite. There are things you cannot do in uniform and on duty. That's one of them, but they get a pass - well, you know why. I don't expect you to understand the difference there, but this is a clear exception to freedom of expression.
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By allowing social media and pressure groups to dictate how we respond to people saying or doing stupid things, aren't we creating bullies?
Most millenials seem to be either speech code enforcing bullies OR cowed by the bullies into at least substantial compliance. There are a few free-thinkers though.
And this didn't happen by accident. It is by design. Freedoms are not taken by force - they're chipped away by progressives in academia, media, the courts and bureaucrats. One wakes up one day and realizes, "What kind of world do I live in when I can only hate a man if he's white?"
This post was edited on 5/11/16 at 9:51 am
Posted on 5/11/16 at 9:54 am to Ace Midnight
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"What kind of world do I live in when I can only hate a man if he's white?"
Is dukke_v white? Because I hate that dude.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 9:55 am to yoga girl
That's one of the things I do not enjoy about modern society. We pay for our mistakes, over and over again.
In some ways, America has been a forgiving society. Lots of people have been given second chances. But they are still never allowed to forget the first mistake. For those who never get the second chance - and there are plenty of them - the mistake remains their defining trait.
I'm so careful about what I say now on social media. Even here. Because I know eventually someone will hold what I say against me in some way. While it may not be bullying per se, it's definitely a form of pressure. It alters what I say. I'm not sure this hasn't always been the way of things, but we have a lot more opportunity to share our thoughts these days, and there's a lot more hazard in doing so.
In some ways, America has been a forgiving society. Lots of people have been given second chances. But they are still never allowed to forget the first mistake. For those who never get the second chance - and there are plenty of them - the mistake remains their defining trait.
I'm so careful about what I say now on social media. Even here. Because I know eventually someone will hold what I say against me in some way. While it may not be bullying per se, it's definitely a form of pressure. It alters what I say. I'm not sure this hasn't always been the way of things, but we have a lot more opportunity to share our thoughts these days, and there's a lot more hazard in doing so.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 9:56 am to Ace Midnight
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Assuming you are talking about the black females with the "Black Power" fist photo? That's bull shite. There are things you cannot do in uniform and on duty. That's one of them, but they get a pass - well, you know why. I don't expect you to understand the difference there, but this is a clear exception to freedom of expression.
I think I do understand why the military is different. I don't think they ought to get a pass, but they also don't need to be excoriated.
We have become a very unforgiving society.
If someone says something that offends someone, why is the remedy always firing (employment) or running out of office?
The biggest hypocrisy is for politicians engaging in sexual misconduct. We love Barney Frank but raised hell about Donald Vitter.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 10:09 am to yoga girl
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I don't think they ought to get a pass
They're getting one.
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but they also don't need to be excoriated.
I was hoping this could be a teaching point. I didn't want them expelled. I wanted them punished. Nothing happened. Double standard.
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The biggest hypocrisy is for politicians engaging in sexual misconduct. We love Barney Frank but raised hell about Donald Vitter.
I get that Republicans are the "family values" party. But, the double standard there is stark, isn't it? Larry Craig was about as milquetoast, left-of-center, "get along, go along" Republican as you can find - to the left of Lindsay Grahamnesty - about as left as the Maine gal senators.
Clinton has all sorts of misconduct (including more than a little non-consensual contact, to say the least), even as President? Complete pass. Romney, the most straight-laced, inoffensive dude who ever ran for the Presidency, says something awkwardly (binders full of women) - meaning he was pursuing an official "affirmative action" policy FOR women? Excoriated as being anti-woman.
Strom Thurmond was NEVER mentioned, without his Dixiecrat background, etc. Hell, Trent Lott caught flak for being nice to the old man on his birthday.
Robert Byrd? Essentially the same background as Thurmond, but he never left the party and became more and more liberal over the years. His Klan membership was only mentioned by talk radio and conservative outlets.
So, it isn't just sex. The entire MSM is geared up as a propaganda machine for the Democrat party - to no good end, frankly.
This post was edited on 5/11/16 at 10:10 am
Posted on 5/11/16 at 10:26 am to yoga girl
How is your dad so normal and you're so fricked up? I guess you were right about the chem trails effecting babies
Posted on 5/11/16 at 10:28 am to yoga girl
We need more bullies. They help to cull the herd and toughen the rest of us up.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 10:28 am to yoga girl
Your dad sounds like a wise man. We used to allow people to make mistakes, now everything has to have some kind of punishment.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 10:28 am to yoga girl
quote:i'd cast a ballot for Donald
raised hell about Donald Vitter.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 10:29 am to Hammertime
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How is your dad so normal and you're so fricked up?
I'm perfectly normal, but I know your response will be "crazy people always think they are normal").
Posted on 5/11/16 at 10:30 am to SuperSaint
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i'd cast a ballot for Donald
I don't get it.
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