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re: No charges against cop that shot Tamir Rice

Posted on 12/28/15 at 2:56 pm to
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
30205 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 2:56 pm to
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No, it all went wrong when the brass decided to field a known-incompetent, weepy POS cop like this.


I see the argument. However, it's basically the same as saying the parents are to blame for letting a known trouble making kid roam the streets and point a very realistic looking gun at people.

Posted by Modern
Fiddy Men
Member since May 2011
16878 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 2:57 pm to
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Ferguson POS getting shot was 100% justified.


So a kid that's walking and minding his own business gets shot and you think it's justified.

Get the frick outta here
Posted by kilo1234
Member since May 2014
1431 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 2:59 pm to
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What a lot of people are focusing on, is the officers having little to no time to react, whereas it looks as if Tamir saw them driving up. He had more time to think about his actions than they did, and he decided to reach for his gun.


He may very well have been thinking that it's best to not have what appears to be a real gun in his waistband when the po-po rolls up. He may very well have been trying to pull it out real quick to throw it on the ground and/or show the officers' that it was fake. Maybe little Tamir always wanted to be a police officer when he grew up and he was playing in the park, pretending to fight bad guys with his toy gun.

Even if the above were all proven to be 100% true and accurate, it still doesn't mean the officers' actions were criminal. (I know YOU aren't making that assumption...I just replied to your quote.)

"Criminal act". Everyone should say it 10 times. That's what was determined to not have happened on the officers' part. Nobody decided they handled it perfectly. Nobody decided that Tamir deserved to die. ALL that was decided was that the officers' actions were not criminal.
Posted by stevengtiger
Member since Jul 2013
2778 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 2:59 pm to
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Disagree respectfully


I see what your saying too. Glad video is out there for people to see. I agree that they were wrong rolling up like that and also for not helping the kid after the shooting. Terrible situation all the way around.
This post was edited on 12/28/15 at 3:00 pm
Posted by Redbone
my castle
Member since Sep 2012
18863 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 3:00 pm to
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It does seem a bit odd that they drove onto the grass... + plus everything else you wrote

That's a good take on the big picture.

I saw no reason for them to drive up so close. There are no other people in the picture to be threatened.

I think the cops had a chance to stay back and evaluate the situation. Just my take and the reason I feel they deserve some kind of slap on the wrist.
Posted by stevengtiger
Member since Jul 2013
2778 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 3:02 pm to
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Just my take and the reason I feel they deserve some kind of slap on the wrist.


I would be willing to bet that after the city pays out a few mill to the family, both of these guys will not be working on the street anymore if they are still with the department at all.
Posted by Redbone
my castle
Member since Sep 2012
18863 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 3:02 pm to
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So a kid that's walking and minding his own business gets shot and you think it's justified.

Get the frick outta here

Wait, what? That fat Ferguson fool? Different all together. Totally justified shooting.
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge LA
Member since Sep 2006
36113 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 3:02 pm to
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It's riot time.


Will there be a surfing event of some sort? Or maybe a team won or lost a championship?
White people riots
Posted by Bleeding purple
Athens, Texas
Member since Sep 2007
25315 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 3:03 pm to
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it's basically the same as saying the parents are to blame for letting a known trouble making kid roam the streets and point a very realistic looking gun at people




If they want to claim he was too young to know what he was doing, then they are very much to blame for that, both from an ethical and in many states legal standpoint for the actions of their 12 yr old.



If they are willing to admit that their young man knew full well that he could scare people more effectively with his prop firearm by removing the orange identifier and pointing it at strangers, and consequently claim they did their best to prevent his idiotic behavior then they can say they have no blame for his actions with relative impunity.
Posted by Who Me
Ascension
Member since Aug 2011
7090 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 3:03 pm to
It was a horrible tactical decision by the officer driving the cruiser to pull up so close to the suspect. In doing so coupled with the juvenile suspects actions it forced the passenger officer into making a near instantaneous decision to use deadly force. A very bad situation all the way around. I don't see any way where there was criminal intent by the officers. Incompetence by the driver but not criminal intent.
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
57721 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 3:03 pm to
We know: white Christian males bad.

You don't need to repeat where you stand, it's well known.
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
30205 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 3:05 pm to
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Well, we don't know that he actually was, do we? All we had was the 911 caller SAYING that, right?


There was video of him pointing it all over the park.

LINK

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Also, why was it necessary to tackle and cuff his 14 year old sister 2 minutes after he was shot?


No clue. Doesn't mean anything as far as the shooting is concerned.

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And they won't like the answers, so they'll be writing a gonzo-sized check.


This will only happen to simmer the faux outrage from the black community. It won't be written for legitimate reasons. Which shouldn't matter if you believe getting that check equals justice.

This was going to incite riots, civil suits and police hatred no matter the circumstances. It has nothing to do with a kid being shot. It has everything to do with his skin color. And that's a damn shame.


Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
71456 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 3:05 pm to
Guy driving the car should be brought up on manslaughter charges. Zero reason to pull up that close.
Posted by Redbone
my castle
Member since Sep 2012
18863 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 3:06 pm to
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LSUTANGERINE

GTFO
Posted by idlewatcher
County Jail
Member since Jan 2012
79276 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 3:06 pm to
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White people riots


Shall we link all the "black people riot for no reason" clips too?
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge LA
Member since Sep 2006
36113 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 3:07 pm to
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We know: white Christian males bad. You don't need to repeat where you stand, it's well known.

Never have I said or implied that. My response was in retort to a post that implied that black people riot every time they feel wronged. Nice leap though.
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge LA
Member since Sep 2006
36113 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 3:09 pm to
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Shall we link all the "black people riot for no reason" clips too?

No but let's not pretend that only blacks riot. That was the point of my response to the post of "it's riot time"
This post was edited on 12/28/15 at 3:10 pm
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33498 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 3:11 pm to
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I see the argument. However, it's basically the same as saying the parents are to blame for letting a known trouble making kid roam the streets and point a very realistic looking gun at people.


No, it isn't. This is a supposedly professional organization making professional decisions. Did they do ANY due diligence on this POS? I've done lots of interviewing in my life and we would never hire someone with that poor of a reference from his former employer. Stop making excuses for these assholes. Stop defaulting to the cops.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33498 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 3:14 pm to
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There was video of him pointing it all over the park.


At people?

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No clue. Doesn't mean anything as far as the shooting is concerned.


No, just shows the same pattern of incompetence for which the city will pay dearly.

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This will only happen to simmer the faux outrage from the black community. It won't be written for legitimate reasons. Which shouldn't matter if you believe getting that check equals justice.


So hiring and fielding a known incompetent isn't "legitimate"? Watching the kid bleed out is "legitimate"?

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This was going to incite riots, civil suits and police hatred no matter the circumstances.


I'm sorry, have there been riots over this?

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It has nothing to do with a kid being shot. It has everything to do with his skin color. And that's a damn shame.


Keep telling yourself this.
Posted by Negative Nomad
Hell
Member since Oct 2011
3173 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 3:15 pm to
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