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re: No charges against cop that shot Tamir Rice
Posted on 12/28/15 at 2:29 pm to Redbone
Posted on 12/28/15 at 2:29 pm to Redbone
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They drove right up to him not giving themselves time to assess the situation.
Had they stayed back though and this perp that they assumed was dangerous had begun shooting people then what would have the narrative been?
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Posted on 12/28/15 at 2:30 pm to dcrews
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Is it your contention he just felt like shooting a child, so he did?
It's my contention that he was known to be dangerously incompetent AND he wasn't even supplied with a first aid kit.
The city/county will lose bigtime in this suit.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 2:30 pm to Mizzoufan26
Narrative?
Good grief.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 2:31 pm to Redbone
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No, not really. Think about yourself at that age. Would you have known better than to play in an area like that? Would you have known how to act if a cop car drove right up to you? I wouldn't and don't think he did.
Abso fricking lutely.
I had a shitty little bow an arrow as a 10 year old, literally as cheaply made as you can possibly get an lucky to get it in a bail of hay.
Police Officer drives by sees me shooting it in the front yard, stops because apparently that was illegal in the city limits, wtf, I immediately drop it and go inside whenever I see him doing that.
Then again.... that's probably not the best choice to go away either.... shite...
Posted on 12/28/15 at 2:31 pm to Redbone
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Did this really happen? The video is poor but not much time transpired between car stop and shooting.
Exactly. Everything that happened in this perfect narrative was virtually instantaneous. Mostly because the known-to-be incompetent keystone cops charged up on the scene in a ridiculously reckless fashion.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 2:31 pm to CadesCove
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Such as?
He already said he doesn't know what they should be charged with.. HE JUST WANTS CHARGES, DAMNIT!
Posted on 12/28/15 at 2:32 pm to UpToPar
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Yep. If anyone is to blame it's the driver of the police car
What about the dispatcher that didn't relay the that the original caller had mentioned the gun may be fake.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 2:32 pm to Redbone
Admittedly, I haven't seen the video as I cannot view it at work. However, from reading about it from multiple sources, it seemed logical and conclusive that the kid reached for his waistband.
Doesn't take but 1-2 seconds for someone to reach for a gun and for you to decide to defend yourself with a weapon.
If the sources are wrong and the kid put his hands up and/or did not reach for his waistband, then this ruling is bogus.
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not much time transpired between car stop and shooting.
Doesn't take but 1-2 seconds for someone to reach for a gun and for you to decide to defend yourself with a weapon.
If the sources are wrong and the kid put his hands up and/or did not reach for his waistband, then this ruling is bogus.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 2:32 pm to fr33manator
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you probably had a messed up childhood.
Probably.
The point I would make here is that we aren't all raised the same. We don't know what he should have been aware of. Maybe he was at fault, maybe his parents, maybe not at all. I think cops are the buffer for these possibilities.Posted on 12/28/15 at 2:33 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Big Scrub TX
Curious, if it was a known fact that the kid reached for his waistband and gun (that we know in hindsight to be fake), would you still not feel the shooting is justified?
Posted on 12/28/15 at 2:33 pm to Kino74
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Vietvet1968California
As a combat veteran I have faced off with enemies with all kinds of weapons, but that was combat and you make decisions second to second. This is a case of officers that have no idea what the hell they are doing. I hope they get their eye sight checked, can tell the difference in types of weapons, and get there information from dispatch about being a possible toy gun and there was no immenient danger to the officers.
This guy had a BB gun, you tell me if you notice the difference. LINK
This post was edited on 12/28/15 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 12/28/15 at 2:34 pm to Capital Cajun
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The fricking media should show the replica gun photo on all these articles and in the news broadcasts.
That doesn't perpetuate the desired narrative, that a bunch of racist white cops are preying upon innocent little black children.
Hell, even if they did show it so people could clearly see that it is indistinguishable from a real firearm, it wouldn't matter. Just look at this thread for examples of the utter lack of brain power and common sense in use here. That's why "hands up, don't shoot" is still being parroted about, even though it's been proven (through witness testimony and physical evidence) that Michael Brown did NOT have his hands up nor was he surrendering.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 2:37 pm to Mizzoufan26
This thread makes me laugh.
All the regulars have shown up.
All the twisted facts, half truths, and totally absurd misconceptions.
All the wild accusations, name calling, and playground bravado.
Everyone taking their usual sides of the argument.
And all because people refuse to accept 2 truths.
1. You never under any circumstance point a firearm at another person unless you intend to shoot them and also accept that they may shoot you.
2. This would never have made more than local news if the kid was white and the cop was black. When in reality the race of either person should be completely irrelevant.
All the regulars have shown up.
All the twisted facts, half truths, and totally absurd misconceptions.
All the wild accusations, name calling, and playground bravado.
Everyone taking their usual sides of the argument.
And all because people refuse to accept 2 truths.
1. You never under any circumstance point a firearm at another person unless you intend to shoot them and also accept that they may shoot you.
2. This would never have made more than local news if the kid was white and the cop was black. When in reality the race of either person should be completely irrelevant.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 2:38 pm to Sao
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Narrative?
Look at the photo of the gun on page 1, does that look like a toy gun to you?
Looking at it now, with a clear picture, I can't tell the difference, there is even a magazine that goes with it, yet every story lists it as a "Toy Gun" and doesn't show it. What is that exactly to you, coincidence only?
Posted on 12/28/15 at 2:39 pm to Big Scrub TX
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keystone cops
Good description of what I saw. Poor training. If I were partner I would be pissed at a driver that put me in that situation.Posted on 12/28/15 at 2:40 pm to dcrews
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Curious, if it was a known fact that the kid reached for his waistband and gun (that we know in hindsight to be fake), would you still not feel the shooting is justified?
It would depend on the exact details, but that would be a huge change, IMO.
The current narrative of the known-incompetent, weepy POS cop is that they rolled up on the scene and told him several times to drop the gun. At this point, the kid reached for his own gun and the known-incompetent, weepy POS cop shot him.
Go watch the video. There is no sound. It truly appears that there is no way there was enough time for all of this to happen. It is virtually instantaneous.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 2:41 pm to kilo1234
Looks like he is reaching to me.
In either case, if people are saying the video is unclear, how can you definitively say he "wasn't" reaching?
Having a police officer on duty that has been deemed unfit for duty is one thing. But taking the shooting into account on it's own merit, I don't see how murder charges can be brought with 100% certainty that it was murder.
In either case, if people are saying the video is unclear, how can you definitively say he "wasn't" reaching?
Having a police officer on duty that has been deemed unfit for duty is one thing. But taking the shooting into account on it's own merit, I don't see how murder charges can be brought with 100% certainty that it was murder.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 2:41 pm to Bleeding purple
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1. You never under any circumstance point a firearm at another person unless you intend to shoot them and also accept that they may shoot you.
Kid never pointed his gun at anyone who shot him.
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2. This would never have made more than local news if the kid was white and the cop was black. When in reality the race of either person should be completely irrelevant.
I think that's bullshite, but there's no way we'll ever know.
What we DO know is that the POS cop who killed the kid was a known-incompetent, weepy dipshit who was STILL put out on the streets by his superiors. "higher standard" indeed
Posted on 12/28/15 at 2:42 pm to dcrews
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Admittedly, I haven't seen the video
Watch the video. That is extremely important here.
I'd be on the cops side on a written explanation.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 2:43 pm to Capital Cajun
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This guy had a BB gun, you tell me if you notice the difference. LINK
Clearly a BB Gun, clearly, and holy shite that female officer had the slowest reaction time ever
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