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re: New Orleans City Council Passes Smoking Ban
Posted on 1/23/15 at 12:21 pm to THRILLHO
Posted on 1/23/15 at 12:21 pm to THRILLHO
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They could have done that before the ban
You say that, and it is technically true, but it does not work that way in reality. A couple from Denver deciding where to take their 3 day weekend isn't coming to New Orleans if they want to avoid smoky bars.
This needs to be kept as a freedom argument because I don't think the economic argument works in this case.
This post was edited on 1/23/15 at 12:23 pm
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Posted on 1/23/15 at 12:24 pm to Winkface
Is this the longest thread in TD history?
Posted on 1/23/15 at 12:24 pm to Tiger in NY
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If 80% of the population are non-smokers, then wouldn't it stand to reason this would make New Orlea s more attractive?
it begs the question why smoke-free bars weren't winning the market if 80% of the market is smoke-free
Posted on 1/23/15 at 12:25 pm to Walt OReilly
Not remotely close to the longest
Posted on 1/23/15 at 12:25 pm to Tiger in NY
walt was jokin
Posted on 1/23/15 at 12:27 pm to Tiger in NY
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A couple from Denver deciding where to take their 3 day weekend isn't coming to New Orleans if they want to avoid smoky bars.
So these hypothetical people are taking a vacation to hang out in bars the whole time? Even then, there are plenty of smoke free bars for them to get their lush on.
Also, with Bourbon being exempt are they going to avoid it all together? I don't see someone who's taking a vacation with the intention of drinking around strangers not wanting to spend some time on Bourbon.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 12:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
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it begs the question why smoke-free bars weren't winning the market if 80% of the market is smoke-free
We dont know that they arent. My post is about tourists. How do you quantify tourists that made decisions to go to other cities because they hated all the smoke last time they were in NO? I wont go back to Vegas anymore because of it. Where is that stat kept?
Posted on 1/23/15 at 12:29 pm to junkfunky
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So these hypothetical people are taking a vacation to hang out in bars the whole time? Even then, there are plenty of smoke free bars for them to get their lush on.
still...we're talking about new orleans here. who books a trip to new orleans to have the same bar feel as everywhere else
i thought the entire point of the "culture" stuff was b/c Nola was different. our bars are dirty, grimey, and full of cultcha
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Also, with Bourbon being exempt are they going to avoid it all together? I don't see someone who's taking a vacation with the intention of drinking around strangers not wanting to spend some time on Bourbon.
wait Bourbon is exempt?
how did i miss that earlier?
Posted on 1/23/15 at 12:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
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wait Bourbon is exempt?
I missed that too. Invalidates my whole post on tourists
Posted on 1/23/15 at 12:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
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wait Bourbon is exempt?
I don't think that it's 100% for sure exempt. The article was poorly written. But all indications are that Bourbon bars and Harrah's will be allowed to have indoor smoking.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 12:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
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who books a trip to new orleans to have the same bar feel as everywhere else
Smoke ain't part of the ambience they like. Come on.
Again, I don't think the economic argument works here anyway, and it isn't the point.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 12:33 pm to THRILLHO
And if Bourbon IS exempt, what are the chances that businesses there threw some money at the city council to make this decision? Crime is probably driving locals away from the FQ and this decision could draw in some of the WHD/Frenchman smokers.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 12:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
If bourbon is exempt then the law has reached an even higher level of hypocracy then initially believed
Posted on 1/23/15 at 12:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
I saw nothing bout Bourbon being exempt. In fact, it was one of the main focuses of the ordinance. The black council members are so concerned about the health of city, but literally do nothing to stop the killings/robberies that are getting all too common now down town.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 12:34 pm to Winkface
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American Heart Association
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APHA
Both of which are huge recipients from the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation.
Who is that you may ask? The namesake is one of the founders of Johnson & Johnson. The Foundation is the single largest shareholder in Johnson & Johnson.
It sure is convenient that Johnson & Johnson has a subsidiary company, ALZA. What does ALZA do? Among other things it makes a little product called Nicoderm CQ.
But I'm sure all of this is just coincidence.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 12:34 pm to Tiger in NY
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I missed that too. Invalidates my whole post on tourists
yea no shite
game over man...game over
Posted on 1/23/15 at 12:35 pm to Tiger in NY
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Smoke ain't part of the ambience they like. Come on.
There are definitely people that only smoke on vacation/in casinos. I know Bill Simmons has mentioned that he and some friends would chain smoke in Vegas, but don't smoke at all otherwise.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 12:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
It's not exempt. You can smoke in the street just like any other street.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 12:36 pm to htownjeep
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htownjeep
Posted on 1/23/15 at 12:37 pm to THRILLHO
quote:no
Bourbon bars and Harrah's will be allowed to have indoor smoking.
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