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Posted on 1/23/15 at 9:50 am to tigersownall
Curiosity. Knowledge. Information. Why not?
This post was edited on 1/23/15 at 9:51 am
Posted on 1/23/15 at 9:50 am to Winkface
They've started to overturn some in the Netherlands. People are just now starting to realize that all of the studies that these bans were based on were false. It is also starting to be realized who is behind a lot of these bans and that is starting to shed new light on things.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 9:54 am to c on z
quote:
NOLA is definitely gonna crash and burn over a certain regulation
Things add up. Look at all the huge companies that moved out after years of mounting regulations.
9 million people visit New Orleans every year. If you take nationwide averages, 20% of those visitors are smokers. SOOOO that leaves you with potentially 1.8 million people that could get fined or get turned off to the city by this ban.
Will this ban attract new visitors? As a non smoker, smoking has never deterred me from visiting the city but I would have second thoughts if I was to be fined.
This post was edited on 1/23/15 at 9:59 am
Posted on 1/23/15 at 9:56 am to htownjeep
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They've started to overturn some in the Netherlands. People are just now starting to realize that all of the studies that these bans were based on were false. It is also starting to be realized who is behind a lot of these bans and that is starting to shed new light on things.
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In November 2010, the new Dutch government repealed the portion of the law deaing with small cafes and small bars that have no staff, exempting them from the smokefree law and requiring them only to post signs that smoking is permitted. However, in February 2013, the smokefree law was reinstated in small restaurants, bars and cafes in a narrow vote. In March 2013, The appeal court in The Hague ruled that all cafes must be smokefree, with no exception for small cafes run by the owner. In May 2013, the government announced plans to resinstate the smokefree law in bars and cafes by July 2014, except for enclosed areas with no service.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 9:56 am to Placebeaux
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NOLA is definitely gonna crash and burn over a certain regulation
Things add up.
The Louisiana State Police did a study and has said the state/city will lose money. Are they wrong?
LINK
Posted on 1/23/15 at 9:56 am to Winkface
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What has happened to previous lawsuits against similar bans? Why haven't the succeeded? Have they come close?
what does this have to do with anything?
we're talking political philosophy/theory here. the states, sadly, have this sort of regulatory authority. it's not a legal issue
Posted on 1/23/15 at 9:58 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Oh. I thought if it was infringing on property rights that it was a legal issue.
we're talking political philosophy/theory here. the states, sadly, have this sort of regulatory authority. it's not a legal issue
<--did not go to law school
Posted on 1/23/15 at 9:59 am to htownjeep
quote:Not really for you to decide.
And somehow the liberal lefties (yes, you are one if you support this ban)
quote:What makes you think I don't get it? I do get it—I just don't care. Deal with it.
still do not get it.
This post was edited on 1/23/15 at 10:00 am
Posted on 1/23/15 at 10:00 am to htownjeep
quote:
The Louisiana State Police did a study and has said the state/city will lose money. Are they wrong?
No. I think they are right.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 10:02 am to Winkface
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Oh. I thought if it was infringing on property rights that it was a legal issue.
you're being obtuse. it has no bearing on this discussion. the legal authority is settled.
a long time ago courts ruled that they didn't respect property rights and they have not yet overturned these laws
this is about legal-political theory
Posted on 1/23/15 at 10:03 am to Winkface
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<--did not go to law school
i thought you did
i retract the "obtuse" statement
Posted on 1/23/15 at 10:04 am to SlowFlowPro
Wink did stay at a holiday inn express last night
Posted on 1/23/15 at 10:04 am to Cosmo
Posted on 1/23/15 at 10:04 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Gotcha. Thanks for the explanation. All I needed really.
the legal authority is settled. a long time ago courts ruled that they didn't respect property rights and they have not yet overturned these laws
this is about legal-political theory
I'll take my obtuse arse and leave.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 10:05 am to SlowFlowPro
Why is this thread 55 pages slow? Give me a single 5 sentence paragraph explanation.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 10:06 am to Winkface
quote:
I'll take my obtuse arse
Posted on 1/23/15 at 10:07 am to Cosmo
quote:
Why is this thread 55 pages slow? Give me a single 5 sentence paragraph explanation.
people are joyous and happy to use government to get their way and engage in crony capitalism...as long as it is something that they believe in. many of these people are avoiding that issue and are trying to spin this as a "health issue" to avoid admitting they're being selfish (and almost assuredly hypocrites).
Posted on 1/23/15 at 10:08 am to Winkface
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I'll take my obtuse arse and leave.
i retracted that statement
Posted on 1/23/15 at 10:08 am to Cosmo
In short. All the people supporting this are just saying "ou look at me my vagina hurts". At least that's what I'm getting.
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