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Posted on 10/4/22 at 5:08 am to crazy4lsu
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And are still better off now than they were under the British.
They're better off now BECAUSE of the British.
There are places that didn't have the wheel before "colonizers" brought them. Africans still carry water on their heads in jugs they draw from the river. Many places don't have basic sanitation. That and a lack of basic understanding of hygiene is why disease thrives there like it does.
Natives didn't have guns or use horses until the colonizers brought them there, nor did they have the wheel. Their culture would have never evolved without outside influence.
There have been at least 2 major famines in China, in the 20th century, killing MILLIONS because they couldn't feed themselves or recover from natural disasters, nor would they ask for help from the outside world. China hasn't contributed anything to the advancement of mankind since fricking gunpowder. China also has never won a single war. Not one. They've also never had European influence in their country. Coincidence??
There have been some lasting influences from Islam during the first centuries after Christ. But what they were best at was barbarism and conquering the leftovers from an already shattered Roman Empire. Now, most Muslims, unless the live in the west, are dependent on the benevolence of their govt for sustenance which comes from the West's thirst for oil. Most of the Middle East doesn’t have enough potable water to sustain themselves for the next 100 years. The first hydroelectric dam in UAE, in Dubai is only being constructed this year. There hasn't been a big need for hydroelectricity in the region, and oil is plentiful, but the ability hasn't been there. Hoover dam was built in the 1930s. Also, outside one or two, most of the tallest buildings in the Middle East weren't built until THIS century. If they were so fricking smart and able, why did it take them until 2000 or later to construct a building taller than 1000 feet??
Great Britain was the Greatest empire the world has ever known until King George III signed the Treaty of Paris.
The lasting influence England has had on Common Law is second to none in the history of the world besides the Ten Commandments.
The other influences on science, literature, war tactics, flight, fiduciaries, medicine, travel, theater, and trade are and will be everlasting. To say otherwise is retarded.
This post was edited on 10/4/22 at 5:23 am
Posted on 10/4/22 at 5:36 am to Mike da Tigah
Colonization saved the world.
Imagine Europe’s famine deaths without potatoes, and corn (polenta). Same in Asia.
Imagine Europe’s famine deaths without potatoes, and corn (polenta). Same in Asia.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 5:46 am to Mike da Tigah
Ireland, Palestine, India and Pakistan
Artifical partitionment has caused a lot of problems for these places and they aren’t better off for it.
Artifical partitionment has caused a lot of problems for these places and they aren’t better off for it.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 6:37 am to MoarKilometers
There is no Palestine
Posted on 10/4/22 at 7:25 am to prplhze2000
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There is no Palestine
Says the person who believes in Qanon lmao
Posted on 10/4/22 at 7:27 am to BlackPawnMartyr
India had and still has a caste system that was inescapable.
South Africa was empty.
How about Gibraltar?
South Africa was empty.
How about Gibraltar?
Posted on 10/4/22 at 7:33 am to Mike da Tigah
I'd be going to the church of England on Sundays instead of my Methodist church.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 7:42 am to kingbob
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Ireland, today, has a smaller population than it did prior to the potato famine.
Good call. If Ireland's population had grown at the same rate as the rest of Europe over the last 200 years, they would have around 25 Million people instead of the 5 Million they currently have (before the Potato Famine, they had around 8.5 Million).
Posted on 10/4/22 at 7:43 am to ewdij
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I am an Indian. I think India would be much better off if British (and other) colonizers never colonized India. If you are interested here is an interesting video which counters your original premise.
Hey Bobby
Posted on 10/4/22 at 8:43 am to Gideon Swashbuckler
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They're better off now BECAUSE of the British.
There are places that didn't have the wheel before "colonizers" brought them. Africans still carry water on their heads in jugs they draw from the river. Many places don't have basic sanitation. That and a lack of basic understanding of hygiene is why disease thrives there like it does.
Wrong. My god how are you this ignorant of history.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 8:54 am to armsdealer
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Sure, the British are responsible for all of the technological advances the past century that made the world a better place.
I mean, they were responsible for most of the inventions of the 18th and 19th centuries that massively improved quality of life. England’s capitalism combined with a string of decent monarchs was a winning combination for a while. The English invented the steam engine, the modern factory, the automated loom, the internal combustion engine, bessemer process for making steel, all kinds of crops via cross-breeding, modern municipal plumbing, railroads, etc.
Americans did, however, invent the steamboat, electricity, the telephone, telegraph, cotton gin, the mechanical reaper, artificial rubber, gasoline, etc.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:01 am to Twenty 49
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New York, Virginia, Maryland, etc. were nice enough for the folks living there for centuries until the Brits colonized them and wiped out all the residents by disease or murder. The areas are “better off” for the colonists who took over, but not for the folks who were there first.
We should just give it back then.
Or, you know, native Americans can join the real world and enjoy what those places have to offer now that makes it so good for the colonists.
Nah I think I’ll stay drunk on the reservation.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:07 am to Twenty 49
Nothing says “thriving” like slash and burn subsistence agriculture, endemic war, ethnic cleansing, no knowledge of metallurgy, living in small earthen and wood huts, and no population density.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:19 am to Twenty 49
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The areas are “better off” for the colonists who took over, but not for the folks who were there first.
So this:
Is “better off” than this?:
Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:42 am to crazy4lsu
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Wrong. My god how are you this ignorant of history.
I mean, there are places still without refrigeration.
We produce enough food to feed the entire world, but the entire world doesn’t have the means to transport or store it.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:56 am to Gideon Swashbuckler
I mean, the Civil Law, rooted in Roman law but codified under Napoleon, is practiced even more widely than the British common law. Virtually all of continental Europe, central and east asia, central and south America, and over half of Africa use some version of the Civil law. Heck, while much of the middle east uses Shariah Law for some religious/family issues, the overwhelming majority of those nation’s laws are word for word the Louisiana Civil Code.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 10:53 am to dgnx6
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I mean, there are places still without refrigeration.
We produce enough food to feed the entire world, but the entire world doesn’t have the means to transport or store it.
But that doesn't really capture what was going on in South Asia specifically before the British arrived. The period under the late Mughals, Indian industry was going through a period of 'proto-industrialization.' Why that wasn't completed has more to do with developments in finance than it did technology. Nor do any of these descriptions really describe what the world was like before European hegemony, as there was already a robust network of trade, of which Europe was only one periphery. The trade was organized entirely around England and China, but spread far into West and East Africa as well as West Asia.
In the Indian case, British colonialism was terrible because it was extractive, as they shipped off an amazing amount of wealth to the UK proper while investing very little in India. There's a video of Shashi Tharoor on YouTube who talks about according to Will Rogers, an American historian, the British Empire spent less on education in the entirety of India than all the amount spent on public education in New York City. The British weren't some benevolent dictators or something, bestowing on to these people something they could never understand.
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