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Posted on 7/28/15 at 7:45 am to shel311
The Aunt's Facebook has these posted on there. What's the word on them possibly making a flotation device? I have been on and off of this story - haven't seen this reported anywhere, just on her facebook.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 7:48 am to TigerPox
Yeti -- at least they'll have cold drinks as they float.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 8:42 am to White Roach
The Coast Guard is doing its due diligence.
With the media coverage this is getting, I'm sure above and beyond sparing no expense.
IMO, the attention is due to the fact of the ages of the missing and the eventual involvement of Joe Namath.
My personal experience in realizing the dangers of open water and weather are what caught my attention here, but reading some of the comments and opinions in regards to this situation are what keeps me coming back.
You don't have to be an Internet badass to have strong feelings on this subject. From reading these responses, it is evident to me that even experienced boat captains have trouble separating fact from fiction.
And everyone has their own virtual reality, too.
With the media coverage this is getting, I'm sure above and beyond sparing no expense.
IMO, the attention is due to the fact of the ages of the missing and the eventual involvement of Joe Namath.
My personal experience in realizing the dangers of open water and weather are what caught my attention here, but reading some of the comments and opinions in regards to this situation are what keeps me coming back.
You don't have to be an Internet badass to have strong feelings on this subject. From reading these responses, it is evident to me that even experienced boat captains have trouble separating fact from fiction.
And everyone has their own virtual reality, too.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 9:53 am to wahoocs
They found out everything there was to know about what happened from the diver that they need to know.
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Serious question... What does the above statement mean? How could a diver inspecting an overturned hull "find out everything there was to know" about the accident?
Honestly, they don't give a shite about the boat at this point.
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Why? Because the diver know everything there is to know? Could it be considered a hazard to navigation?
I heard an interview from the Coast Guard spokesman. They asked him a question that I wanted answered. How many life vests were on the boat? He said we don't have any answers for that question at this time
Less than a minute later, he stated that one life vest is missing from the boat.
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Unless the boat owner removed his PFDs from the boat after each trip and knew exactly how many he had, it seems like it would be hard to know how many were missing. I keep four extras on a shelf by my slip. We have at least 6 adult PFDs and 4 or 5 child PFDs in a locker on the boat. There's also a survival bag that I think has 4 adult PFDs in it, among other things. My point is that I don't know exactly how many PFDs I have. I'm certain the USCG doesn't.
How do you suppose they deduced that when they don't know how many life vests were on the boat to begin with? Lol
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WTF does this question mean? Lol
A boat captain saw them leave the marina after fueling up, heading into rough seas not wearing their vests. They're doing their due diligence, but they've got this one figured out already.
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If you and/or the Coast Guard have "this one figured out already", why are they wasting a fortune in fuel and manpower to solve a mystery that's already been figured out?
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Serious question... What does the above statement mean? How could a diver inspecting an overturned hull "find out everything there was to know" about the accident?
Honestly, they don't give a shite about the boat at this point.
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Why? Because the diver know everything there is to know? Could it be considered a hazard to navigation?
I heard an interview from the Coast Guard spokesman. They asked him a question that I wanted answered. How many life vests were on the boat? He said we don't have any answers for that question at this time
Less than a minute later, he stated that one life vest is missing from the boat.
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Unless the boat owner removed his PFDs from the boat after each trip and knew exactly how many he had, it seems like it would be hard to know how many were missing. I keep four extras on a shelf by my slip. We have at least 6 adult PFDs and 4 or 5 child PFDs in a locker on the boat. There's also a survival bag that I think has 4 adult PFDs in it, among other things. My point is that I don't know exactly how many PFDs I have. I'm certain the USCG doesn't.
How do you suppose they deduced that when they don't know how many life vests were on the boat to begin with? Lol
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WTF does this question mean? Lol
A boat captain saw them leave the marina after fueling up, heading into rough seas not wearing their vests. They're doing their due diligence, but they've got this one figured out already.
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If you and/or the Coast Guard have "this one figured out already", why are they wasting a fortune in fuel and manpower to solve a mystery that's already been figured out?
Posted on 7/28/15 at 10:01 am to White Roach
It looks like they may have located the cooler off the coast of Georgia. Air assets are circling and they have waterborne assets enroute.
If they can identify it as a cooler, then they would be able to see a couple of boys hanging on to it. But this at least gets them locked onto a good area.
Keep in mind that they went missing on Friday, but the boat was not located until Sunday. Nobody knows when they actually went into the water. Coast Guard says survivability is 4-5 days with the current conditions. If they went into the water on Friday, they are still inside that window. If they went in the drink on Sunday, then they still have a good chance.
This is an ongoing incident with actual people involved. If they are alive, they have been floating out in the open water for several days. Think about that as you sit in comfort, acting like an arse. I know this site is good for callous humor and pull-no-punches remarks (which is why I enjoy it), but damn, I'm disappointed at all the judgmental and insensitive remarks. There is a time for that shite and now isn't it.
(This isn't directed at the post to which I replied...you just have to pick one)
If they can identify it as a cooler, then they would be able to see a couple of boys hanging on to it. But this at least gets them locked onto a good area.
Keep in mind that they went missing on Friday, but the boat was not located until Sunday. Nobody knows when they actually went into the water. Coast Guard says survivability is 4-5 days with the current conditions. If they went into the water on Friday, they are still inside that window. If they went in the drink on Sunday, then they still have a good chance.
This is an ongoing incident with actual people involved. If they are alive, they have been floating out in the open water for several days. Think about that as you sit in comfort, acting like an arse. I know this site is good for callous humor and pull-no-punches remarks (which is why I enjoy it), but damn, I'm disappointed at all the judgmental and insensitive remarks. There is a time for that shite and now isn't it.
(This isn't directed at the post to which I replied...you just have to pick one)
Posted on 7/28/15 at 10:02 am to White Roach
Unfortunately, even if they had flotation devices that would keep them from drowning, 4 days floating in the Atlantic would be almost impossible to survive. They don't have any freshwater for one, and floating debris on the open water attracts fish, which attracts sharks. It's more likely that they met a painful death than a slow one if they were indeed floating. A shark will bite something to figure out what it is. I feel for the families, not having any type of closure would suck, and here soon the coast guard will call off the search. At that point the family will likely spend thousands of dollars more in a pointless search. I read earlier that the coast guard has covered an area "the size of Indiana"
Posted on 7/28/15 at 10:25 am to The Third Leg
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Yeti -- at least they'll have cold drinks as they float.
First I laughed at this, but then I thought, shite, if they had liquids in there, they sure as hell are gonna need those. Especially a couple days in. Without water, they'd be dead already.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 10:36 am to Riseupfromtherubble
If it was your kid, I doubt you would consider it a "pointless search".
If they weren't killed in the initial incident and had some type of flotation assistance, it's not out of the realm of possibilities that they could be alive. Survivabilty is largely a function of water temperature.
Do you remember the USS Indianapolis? Those guys were in the water, with little or no fresh water, for four days. Lou Zamparini spent something crazy - like 47 days - in a raft w/ minimal supplies.
More than likely, these kids are dead. But, on the other hand, they may be the two luckiest kids on the planet and be discovered alive.
If they weren't killed in the initial incident and had some type of flotation assistance, it's not out of the realm of possibilities that they could be alive. Survivabilty is largely a function of water temperature.
Do you remember the USS Indianapolis? Those guys were in the water, with little or no fresh water, for four days. Lou Zamparini spent something crazy - like 47 days - in a raft w/ minimal supplies.
More than likely, these kids are dead. But, on the other hand, they may be the two luckiest kids on the planet and be discovered alive.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 10:49 am to White Roach
The diver first checked for bodies under the vessel. Many times, that is the case, including ones I specifically know about.
Contents of the boat would then be established, so that means of flotation and survival could be determined.
Lastly, condition of the vessel, so they could establish cause.
In regards to life vest, how do you know one is missing if you don't know how many there were to begin with? They found one vest on the boat, and they determined one was missing, but they don't know how many there were to begin with?
Come on, man..... They don't want to discourage efforts in the search. It's simple as that. And more power to them. I sincerely hope their efforts result in locating these kids.
Contents of the boat would then be established, so that means of flotation and survival could be determined.
Lastly, condition of the vessel, so they could establish cause.
In regards to life vest, how do you know one is missing if you don't know how many there were to begin with? They found one vest on the boat, and they determined one was missing, but they don't know how many there were to begin with?
Come on, man..... They don't want to discourage efforts in the search. It's simple as that. And more power to them. I sincerely hope their efforts result in locating these kids.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 10:50 am to White Roach
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Tequesta UPDATE: 10:15 a.m.: The families of two boys missing off the Florida coast have deployed private aircraft in Northeast Florida and Southern Georgia in an effort to bring their sons home.
Nick Korniloff, Perry Cohen’s stepfather, said the concentration of aircraft and spotters are circulating 50 miles offshore from the northern part of the state to Savannah, Ga. Perry Cohen and Austin Stephanos’ families through a “united effort” are jointly raising money for the search.
The Perry and Austin Rescue Fund started by Pamela Cohen, Perry’s mom, on the website gofundme yesterday had raised $58,000 in 15 hours.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 11:14 am to White Roach
Oh, and I forgot to respond to your point on making the open ocean more safe for navigation.
I wish the Coast Guard was as passionate about that as you are. You want to talk about a full time job with infinite expense.
They could start with the Houma Navigational. I can't count the hulls in my lifetime that permanently rest in dredged high traffic waterways. I have camp neighbors who have ramped over capsized vessels multiple times running in the dark.
I wish the Coast Guard was as passionate about that as you are. You want to talk about a full time job with infinite expense.
They could start with the Houma Navigational. I can't count the hulls in my lifetime that permanently rest in dredged high traffic waterways. I have camp neighbors who have ramped over capsized vessels multiple times running in the dark.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 11:23 am to wahoocs
Hey, dickhead, if you go back and review my post, you'll notice the question mark at the end of my sentence regarding "a hazard to navigation". If you'd passed remedial English, you'd understand that I was asking a question, not making a statement.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 11:35 am to wahoocs
quote:Maybe they knew there were at least 2, but didn't know how many there were total?
In regards to life vest, how do you know one is missing if you don't know how many there were to begin with? They found one vest on the boat, and they determined one was missing, but they don't know how many there were to begin with?
Posted on 7/28/15 at 11:40 am to White Roach
Fair enough.
I'm sure it comes across that way. Not my intent, but I do hold some contempt about this event being viewed as an accident.
I'm sure it comes across that way. Not my intent, but I do hold some contempt about this event being viewed as an accident.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 11:55 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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They don't have any freshwater for one, and floating debris on the open water attracts fish, which attracts sharks. It's more likely that they met a painful death than a slow one if they were indeed floating. A shark will bite something to figure out what it is.
Well at least we aren't jumping to any conclusions in this thread.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 12:08 pm to wahoocs
quote:Well I don't see any reason to view it as a double suicide or murder-suicide, so yea, accident is the only way to go here as of now.
but I do hold some contempt about this event being viewed as an accident.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 12:21 pm to shel311
How easy is it to capsize that boat?
And, I seriously doubt these boys lived more than a few minutes after falling out of the boat.
14 year olds tend to think they are invincible and storms and rough seas are not to be considered problems.
And, I seriously doubt these boys lived more than a few minutes after falling out of the boat.
14 year olds tend to think they are invincible and storms and rough seas are not to be considered problems.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 12:26 pm to shel311
Giving a 14 year old boy access to navigate a boat in the Atlantic Ocean is not an accident.
And if the Coast Guard knew there were two life jackets on the vessel, they would have answered the question with "at least two total".
And if the Coast Guard knew there were two life jackets on the vessel, they would have answered the question with "at least two total".
Posted on 7/28/15 at 12:29 pm to kilo1234
Family just announced the floating object that was spotted was not the cooler.
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