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re: Missing Florida boys' boat found capsized
Posted on 7/27/15 at 7:17 pm to slackster
Posted on 7/27/15 at 7:17 pm to slackster
I tried to play around in 8-10' swells in a ship channel once when I was a kid (19) Had a 16' kingfisher and was having a fun time riding down them until I caught the tip of one and got swamped. Almost lost her by fortunately the whole perimeter of that boat had blown in foam. She was darn near unsinkable. Motor kept going and pushed the boat out of the big swells and we bailed like heck 
Would of been super bad if a ship had been coming along.
It was something like this
Would of been super bad if a ship had been coming along.
It was something like this
This post was edited on 7/27/15 at 7:25 pm
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Posted on 7/27/15 at 7:18 pm to slackster
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quote: As a boater myself, what would the correct course of action be if you couldn't outrun and were caught in 8 to 10's? If you were caught in 8-10s in a 19-ft boat, you're best bet is to put on your life jacket, radio for help, and hold the frick on for your last moments. I don't think people truly understand what 8-10 foot seas are like - 90% of Youtube videos proclaiming 8-10 foot swells are actually 3-5 at best.
This is so true. Been in legit 10's at Marco Polo in the 31 one time and it was terrifying. Only seeing walls of water and looking up to everyone on the platform watching. Storm lasted about an hour, was glad as frick to point north and get the frick home
Posted on 7/27/15 at 7:29 pm to MoreOrLes
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As a boater myself, what would the correct course of action be if you couldn't outrun and were caught in 8 to 10's?
Put the bow into the wind and wait it out, and hope you don't run out of fuel. I doubt very seriously they experienced 8 footers but if they did then it's still manageable depending on the frequency.
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It was a 19 ft bay boat.
I haven't seen anything that mentioned what kind of hull but I would be interested in knowing. "Bay boat" means nothing.
This post was edited on 7/27/15 at 7:31 pm
Posted on 7/27/15 at 7:49 pm to Barf
There's a pic of the hull in this thread or the one in the OB.
They most definitely encountered 8 footers. I said 8-10 to account for one possible exception on the high end.
You can say 6-8 if it makes you feel better.
Your advice on what to do in those conditions sounds about right.
I spent my worst night alive 58 miles out in a 20 ft boat w steady 10 ft seas. Coast Guard asked us by helicopter if we wanted out, but would only get us from out of the boat, which meant we would have had one shot before being thrown into the other jacket of a twin platform. We stayed with the boat.
They most definitely encountered 8 footers. I said 8-10 to account for one possible exception on the high end.
You can say 6-8 if it makes you feel better.
Your advice on what to do in those conditions sounds about right.
I spent my worst night alive 58 miles out in a 20 ft boat w steady 10 ft seas. Coast Guard asked us by helicopter if we wanted out, but would only get us from out of the boat, which meant we would have had one shot before being thrown into the other jacket of a twin platform. We stayed with the boat.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 9:44 pm to wahoocs
according to a poster floating around facebook the engine cover was not on the boat when it was found. If I had to guess they had engine troubles, were trying to fix it, and couldn't defend themselves/the boat from waves and it capsized.
This. Is cowling is missing they had engine problems. It locks down and will not just come off from flipping over.
I bet that as they hit bad weather the debris or water in the fuel lines clogged up and cut the engine out. The took cowling off to try to shoot the carb or shake out the filter and was flipped over the bad seas. (Dont even ask why I am guessing this scenario. lol) The were sitting ducks at that boat and would not matter how salty or experienced you are. I bet they didn't use their cells as they would be "in trouble"
They probably were tracking the storm etc on their cell and thought they could beat it etc. Maybe would have if not had engine problems. Every regular saltwater fisherman that fishes in the Summer has had to make that call.
My main criticism is no Epirb? That would have sent emergency signal to coast guard etc, when boat flipped.
Of course, they only have to respond if they feel like it.
This. Is cowling is missing they had engine problems. It locks down and will not just come off from flipping over.
I bet that as they hit bad weather the debris or water in the fuel lines clogged up and cut the engine out. The took cowling off to try to shoot the carb or shake out the filter and was flipped over the bad seas. (Dont even ask why I am guessing this scenario. lol) The were sitting ducks at that boat and would not matter how salty or experienced you are. I bet they didn't use their cells as they would be "in trouble"
They probably were tracking the storm etc on their cell and thought they could beat it etc. Maybe would have if not had engine problems. Every regular saltwater fisherman that fishes in the Summer has had to make that call.
My main criticism is no Epirb? That would have sent emergency signal to coast guard etc, when boat flipped.
Of course, they only have to respond if they feel like it.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 9:52 pm to TutHillTiger
I just really hope we will find out exactly what happened. From them.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 10:19 pm to TutHillTiger
My brother went out last night to pick it up and tow it back but coast guard for some reason didn't stay with it or mark it so they couldn't find it once they got there. CG went back to find it again but couldn't or they'd have gotten it today. Pretty shitty they didn't mark the damn thing. Could have gotten some answers if they got it back that they won't otherwise.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 10:36 pm to Hammertime
I won't lie.. I have been upset and scared when offshore and it is 5 seas in a 31 foot twin engine boat. We were trying to outrun a storm that popped up out of no where. We were 12 miles out and I had my kids and wife on board. We hauled arse back to the bay.
It felt like 8 foot seas and was probably only 4 - I puked.
It felt like 8 foot seas and was probably only 4 - I puked.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 10:37 pm to Captain Rumbeard
LINK /
I keep seeing this published. Not sure if it is true or not.
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...The Coast Guard anchored the boat at the spot where it was found instead of towing it ashore to avoid diverting resources that could be used in the search, he said.
I keep seeing this published. Not sure if it is true or not.
This post was edited on 7/27/15 at 10:39 pm
Posted on 7/27/15 at 10:38 pm to Captain Rumbeard
The capsized boat? I read in a news article that it was anchored by the USCG in the place it was found.
No explanation on the logic behind that decision...
Unsafe to tow at that point? Maybe they thought the boys might be drifting in the same direction as the hull? Don't know...
Edit: to not divert resources from the search. Makes sense.
No explanation on the logic behind that decision...
Unsafe to tow at that point? Maybe they thought the boys might be drifting in the same direction as the hull? Don't know...
Edit: to not divert resources from the search. Makes sense.
This post was edited on 7/27/15 at 10:42 pm
Posted on 7/27/15 at 10:46 pm to White Roach
The place it was supposed to be was seventy miles offshore. They got there, the boat wasn't there. How the hell you gonna anchor it that far out in the gulf stream?
They may spot it again tomorrow. It should be doing about two knots North.
They may spot it again tomorrow. It should be doing about two knots North.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 10:47 pm to White Roach
Pic of the boat per the google
Posted on 7/27/15 at 10:50 pm to Captain Rumbeard
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How the hell you gonna anchor it that far out in the gulf stream
With an anchor...
Posted on 7/27/15 at 10:55 pm to Barf
Assuming it's shallow enough to even reach the bottom, much less put enough scope on it to hold, all you're going to do is sink the boat. Sorry, I don't buy it. And it obviously didn't work if that's what they actually did, but I don't believe that at all. Sounds like reporter bullshite.
Hang on, I'll ask him. Got him on FB at the moment.
Hang on, I'll ask him. Got him on FB at the moment.
This post was edited on 7/27/15 at 10:59 pm
Posted on 7/27/15 at 11:04 pm to Captain Rumbeard
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Assuming it's shallow enough to even reach the bottom, much less put enough scope on it to hold, all you're going to do is sink the boat.
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you're not actually a captain.
Anchoring in deep water is a non issue.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 11:05 pm to Barf
I doubt they anchored
This post was edited on 7/27/15 at 11:10 pm
Posted on 7/27/15 at 11:09 pm to CP3
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For a 19' boat, it's pretty uncommon
I wouldn't expect a 19 foot boat to carry a 1000 ft rode but the USCG should be able to handle anchoring the boat without sinking it. It's not exactly rocket science and those boats carry plenty of rope.
This post was edited on 7/27/15 at 11:11 pm
Posted on 7/27/15 at 11:16 pm to Barf
Ahh I misread. I was thinking they were saying the boys were anchored before flipping
Posted on 7/27/15 at 11:16 pm to CP3
(Sorry CP3 this was to Barf)
Actually, yeah, I am.
It was in 2400 feet of water.
5 to 1 scope would require 12,000 feet of anchor line.
I take it you think the average CG cutter carries that for situations like this?
lol
All they did was put a swimmer in the water, got some pics, called in the location and moved on. When it wasn't where it was supposed to be or anywhere near where it should be CG went back to find it. They've been looking ever since.
All they had to do was put an epirb on the thing and it would be on dry land right now.
Which do you think the CG is more likely to have on board? 12,000 feet of extra anchor line or an epirb?
Actually, yeah, I am.
It was in 2400 feet of water.
5 to 1 scope would require 12,000 feet of anchor line.
I take it you think the average CG cutter carries that for situations like this?
lol
All they did was put a swimmer in the water, got some pics, called in the location and moved on. When it wasn't where it was supposed to be or anywhere near where it should be CG went back to find it. They've been looking ever since.
All they had to do was put an epirb on the thing and it would be on dry land right now.
Which do you think the CG is more likely to have on board? 12,000 feet of extra anchor line or an epirb?
This post was edited on 7/27/15 at 11:18 pm
Posted on 7/27/15 at 11:19 pm to Captain Rumbeard
I'm not bitching about the decision to keep searching btw. I agree with that. I just think it was a bad call not to put an epirb on the boat.
The freaking swimmer that was in the water with it has one on him every time he hits the water ffs.
The freaking swimmer that was in the water with it has one on him every time he hits the water ffs.
This post was edited on 7/27/15 at 11:26 pm
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