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re: Mid air collision in SC: Cessna and F-16 **2 on Cessna Killed**
Posted on 7/7/15 at 1:25 pm to sicboy
Posted on 7/7/15 at 1:25 pm to sicboy
possibly - I didn't see that it was a female pilot in which case she probably refused to merge. Females will NOT let you merge - it is THEIR PATCH OF ASPHALT (or sky in this instance).
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 1:26 pm to White Roach
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So you're certain that under no circumstances would a F-16 pilot have a mission profile requiring unusually low level or nap of the earth flight? I think you're jumping to conclusions about the pilot hotdogging.
Right - it could be incompetence which then I suppose would be on the system as a whole for not having pilot properly trained. Guess I jumped the gun a bit - apologies.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 1:28 pm to SirWinston
Lol, or it was the dumbass cessna's fault. I have more confidence in a highly trained fighter pilot than someone who took a few classes for a pilots license.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 1:28 pm to White Roach
I don't think this happened 100 feet in the air, I think it happened 100 feet into a rice field, altitude unknown.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 1:34 pm to SirWinston
It will all come out in the Review but pilots do go off flight plan on occasion. I remember it was big news in Baton Rouge in the early 90's when emergency crews responded to a reported large explosion with shattered windows in the Sherwood Forest neighborhood. They couldn't find the source of the blast and later determined that a local guy had just gotten his wings and did a fly over of his parent's house. He pulled pitch hard and nailed it right over their house and went supersonic. The news reported that he got in quite a bit of trouble.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 1:35 pm to cubsfan5150
Aren't there active hot ranges in that area?
Posted on 7/7/15 at 1:35 pm to GeeOH
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If this happened 100 ft above ground, it is absolutely the F16's fault unless it was in final approach or takeoff.
There is zero reason for that low of a position by the jet.
Maybe he was "buzzing" some friends. This doesn't look good
So you're saying he was below the hard deck?
(I refuse to stop with the Top Gun references)
Posted on 7/7/15 at 1:36 pm to LNCHBOX
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Will be interesting to see who is at fault.
I'm going to blame the fighter jet with radar, and not the two person tiny plane with a top speed of 130mph.
Unless it was in an approach pattern, but even then the military craft should be in a high pattern.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 1:40 pm to Napoleon
More than likely the F16s fault. Less maneuverable aircraft have the right of way. More maneuverable aircraft are required to see and avoid them. Unless of course the Cessna was flying at the wrong altitude for the direction of flight. There just isn't enough information yet.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 1:41 pm to cubsfan5150
I have no clue about the actual collision altitude. Previous poster(s) said 100' and another said a witness saw the jet "broadside" the Cessna.
There were also very low flying f-16s in the Greenville area about a week ago, which led to my speculation that the AF or Air Guard may be conducting some type of low altitude training in the area.
There were also very low flying f-16s in the Greenville area about a week ago, which led to my speculation that the AF or Air Guard may be conducting some type of low altitude training in the area.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 1:42 pm to bayouboy33
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The F16 is equipped with TCAS (terrain collision avoidance system) but it will not recognize an aircraft that is not equipped with it.
doesn't it also have radar? I know whan I am flying and the tower tells a liner to look out for me, the liner usually says "I have the skyhawk 530 echo romeo on my box". This is without me having TCAS. I assume if a SWA 737 has it a F16 has it as well.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 1:44 pm to Napoleon
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I have the skyhawk 530 echo romeo on my box". This is without me having TCAS. I assume if a SWA 737 has it a F16 has it as well.
The "box" he is referring to is his TCAS.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 1:45 pm to yellowfin
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Asked the pilot and he said they didn't have something turned on....don't remember what that was.
Mode C transponder.
Possible the Cessna didn't have one, but if he is ever flying within 30miles of Class B airspace he is required by the FAA to have a functioning Mode C transponder.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 1:46 pm to bayouboy33
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Berkeley County Rescue Squad Chief Bill Salisbury said witnesses reported the F-16 hit the Cessna "broadside."
that's crazy. No excuses for not knowing the Cessna was there.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 1:47 pm to Napoleon
Mode C is the altitude portion of the IFF correct? I am unsure of FAA requirements for civilian aircraft
Posted on 7/7/15 at 1:48 pm to White Roach
Unless the 16 was on approach/take-off or doing ordinance training, there's no reason for the 16 to be that low, in that terrain.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 1:49 pm to Napoleon
I haven't ever been in a fighter jet but I have to imagine that things are happening pretty fast at that speed. Would a collision be possible if the jet was flying low and turning so that the pilot didn't see the Cessna until it was right in front of her?
Posted on 7/7/15 at 1:49 pm to White Roach
quote:some pilot check the NOTAMS in that area (I'm out the door now and can't) and see if there was scheduled low level military activity. If there was then the Cessna could of been in a TFR area. If the Cessna was in a TFR then it's at fault. If there was military training ops in a civilian area at low l;evels of flight a TFR should of been issued, if not then the commander of the training mission could be at fault.
So you're certain that under no circumstances would a F-16 pilot have a mission profile requiring unusually low level or nap of the earth flight? I think you're jumping to conclusions about the pilot hotdogging.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 1:50 pm to Napoleon
highly possible C150 blundered into a restricted area.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 1:50 pm to jbgleason
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I haven't ever been in a fighter jet but I have to imagine that things are happening pretty fast at that speed. Would a collision be possible if the jet was flying low and turning so that the pilot didn't see the Cessna until it was right in front of her?
So a Cessna can sneak up on an F-16? It has no advanced warning radar? Well we better not tell the sand people this.
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