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re: man dies after NYPD cop puts him in chokehold (for selling untaxed cigarettes)
Posted on 7/23/14 at 10:25 am to ocelot4ark
Posted on 7/23/14 at 10:25 am to ocelot4ark
quote:ahh,there it is.
Yeah, you're definitely not biased. Or racist.
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Posted on 7/23/14 at 10:27 am to meauxjeaux2
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but i do appreciate our laws and respect those who are paid to uphold them.
El O F'ing El. The guy was selling untaxed cigarettes. He was hardly a threat to law and order. Guess the state gotta get paid. Everyone pay those taxes or the state will exercise force against you (and nowadays that force apparently includes lethal force).
Posted on 7/23/14 at 10:30 am to Mo Jeaux
quote:so,is your issue with local lawmakers or law enforcement?
El O F'ing El. The guy was selling untaxed cigarettes. He was hardly a threat to law and order.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 10:31 am to meauxjeaux2
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so,is your issue with local lawmakers or law enforcement?
Yes.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 10:37 am to VetteGuy
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Yes.
ahh,so you're a "Real Murichan"
Posted on 7/23/14 at 10:43 am to RedRifle
As usual this thread is full of over reactive bridge jumpers. The man unfortunately died because of his health condition and undue stress on his heart during his resistive arrest. Arresting him for the cigarettes seems stupid to me, but the cops didn't do anything excessive and he definitely was not "choked" to his death. Those officers did not try to purposefully hurt that man. It was just an all around situation gone bad. Only narrow minded idiots with an at-the-ready agenda would think otherwise.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 10:43 am to meauxjeaux2
Look, my issue is this:
We all bitched about the high crime rates and wussie judges doling out light sentence. Plus, cops were getting their hands slapped every time they took a phonebook to a guy's head to get a confession.
Fast forward 20 years:
Crime rates are falling to historic lows. We lock up 3X losers for life. All good, except cops have a "don't GAF" attitude towards the GP. We've even got these knuckleheads running high speed code down the interstate to catch effin' shoplifters. Cops think they've lowered the crime rate, when we all know it's the judges.
We've given them too much power and now they need to be reined in. Just gotta get 'em out of the MRAPs first.
We all bitched about the high crime rates and wussie judges doling out light sentence. Plus, cops were getting their hands slapped every time they took a phonebook to a guy's head to get a confession.
Fast forward 20 years:
Crime rates are falling to historic lows. We lock up 3X losers for life. All good, except cops have a "don't GAF" attitude towards the GP. We've even got these knuckleheads running high speed code down the interstate to catch effin' shoplifters. Cops think they've lowered the crime rate, when we all know it's the judges.
We've given them too much power and now they need to be reined in. Just gotta get 'em out of the MRAPs first.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 10:47 am to meauxjeaux2
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ahh,there it is.
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Right after you load up your Escalade full of foodstamp lobster,steaks and skrimps
I mean it's not blatant, but...
Posted on 7/23/14 at 10:48 am to whodatfan
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The man unfortunately died because of his health condition and undue stress on his heart during his resistive arrest.
Link?
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but the cops didn't do anything excessive
According to NYPD policy, they did exactly that.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 10:50 am to meauxjeaux2
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ahh,so you're a "Real Murichan"
I am indeed.
We are to blame for allowing over-aggressive police tactics and the erosion of our Constitutional rights.
Either we'll fix the issue, or like they have in New York, just roll over and cower.
NYC has no guns, SAF, and cops that do WTF they want.
If that's what you're OK with, fine. (shrugs)
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:09 am to VetteGuy
Sad situation for poth parties involved, and it is easy for us all to be armchair attorneys.
Should police be allowed to run amok? Of course not. But to call them murderers and out of control, I dont think thats fair.
I for one would not want their job, what about that poor kid in NJ who just graduated the Police Academy and volunteered for the tough neighborhood and was murdered in cold blood by some gang banger who said he was going to be "famous"???
They deal with the absolute worst society has to offer then get to deal with the backlash from a split second decision.
Tough for everyone involved.
Should police be allowed to run amok? Of course not. But to call them murderers and out of control, I dont think thats fair.
I for one would not want their job, what about that poor kid in NJ who just graduated the Police Academy and volunteered for the tough neighborhood and was murdered in cold blood by some gang banger who said he was going to be "famous"???
They deal with the absolute worst society has to offer then get to deal with the backlash from a split second decision.
Tough for everyone involved.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:22 am to Beauw
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I for one would not want their job, what about that poor kid in NJ who just graduated the Police Academy and volunteered for the tough neighborhood and was murdered in cold blood by some gang banger who said he was going to be "famous"???
Thats one of the most faulty arguments when these threads are started. They know the dangers involved before applying for the job. Nobody is forcing them to be cops. That doesn't give them the right to abuse their authority.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:22 am to meauxjeaux2
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so,is your issue with local lawmakers or law enforcement?
Are these concepts mutually exclusive in your eyes? Personally, I have issues with both.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:23 am to ocelot4ark
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I mean it's not blatant, but...
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:25 am to ULSU
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Except the NYPD outlawed these
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chokehold
years ago.
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What about the fact that NYCPD policy explicitly states that chokes are against the rules? Doesn't matter if he was choked for 1 second or ten minutes. You can't choke.
Was that in the article (like I said, I didn't read it)? If that's true, then I have no objections with the cop who did that being punished/prosecuted for being in the wrong and operating outside of the force that his job allows.
ETA: I stand by my statements that the thread title is stupid and that the deceased was in the wrong and caused the unfortunate situation. But if there is a policy that NYPD can't use chokeholds, then that one cop was definitely in the wrong as well, even if the chokehold was only applied for a few seconds.
This post was edited on 7/23/14 at 11:28 am
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:28 am to rintintin
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Thats one of the most faulty arguments when these threads are started. They know the dangers involved before applying for the job. Nobody is forcing them to be cops. That doesn't give them the right to abuse their authority.
Faulty argument, are you a member of a police department of some sort? Do you patrol every day? Im guessing not, yet you criticise these people trying to enforce laws.
The result is tragic but to say thats a faulty argument is absurd, they know the risks and thats why they reacted the way they did......
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:28 am to whodatfan
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but the cops didn't do anything excessive
Reading is fundamental bruh....
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Members of the New York City Police Department will NOT use chokeholds. A chokehold shall include, but is not limited to, any pressure to the throat or windpipe, which may prevent or hinder breathing or reduce intake of air.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:31 am to Rust Cohle
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That one armed choke, might have been uncomfortable, but wouldn't have caused him to pass out. When You're a 50 yo, asthmatic, 400 plus pound man, a light breeze could take you out for a multitude of reasons. It looks like there was no unnecessary force to me. Guy was resisting till he hit the ground. That's how you apprehend someone resisting. It's not the officers fault the guy was unhealthy.
This post was edited on 7/23/14 at 11:32 am
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:32 am to Mo Jeaux
I don't know if they used excessive force or not, don't really care. But...
Cigarettes in NYC sell for something along the lines of $13+/pack, about 80% of which is tax. It's big business in NYC and often linked to organized crime so the fact that the charge was for selling "untaxed cigarettes" is irrelevant. That's drug-dealing type profit.
Cigarettes in NYC sell for something along the lines of $13+/pack, about 80% of which is tax. It's big business in NYC and often linked to organized crime so the fact that the charge was for selling "untaxed cigarettes" is irrelevant. That's drug-dealing type profit.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:43 am to Corkfather
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so the fact that the charge was for selling "untaxed cigarettes" is irrelevant.
How so? I'd say it is extremely relevant, in addition to being completely asinine and ludicrous, but that's just me.
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