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re: La Nat Guard soldiers among those killed in helicopter crash. *PRAYERS*
Posted on 3/12/15 at 5:00 pm to Ace Midnight
Posted on 3/12/15 at 5:00 pm to Ace Midnight
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Ace Midnight
LA National Guard aviation is well known and well thought of across the board. US Border Patrol, the 20th group in Miss, JRTC at Ft Polk and SOC at Eglin ask for them regularly. I'm sure their are more those are the ones I know about.
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Posted on 3/12/15 at 5:12 pm to csorre1
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I just hope all 11 get similar support
Raisingraiders.org is a website where people can donate for the MARSOC Marines involved. I think there was a gofundme account listed somewhere as well, if I get to a computer later I'll try to find it. For the LA units I'll let some others closer post those.
Facebook blew up last night. Didn't realize I knew so many people attached to all the units. Didn't realize that I knew anyone except one that is still in. Luckily everyone I know is home and safe.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 6:57 pm to TejasPete
I flew Tuesday, not that mission, but I flew. The weather forecast were not accurate with what real time conditions were. We launch based off of forecast, I do not know what the forecast or the reported weather was at Eglin. I do know that we do have weather minimums, we will not launch without weather meeting certain criteria. Also, this time of year coastal conditions are very unpredictable.
The crash report will determine the cause of the accident. Like 99% of aviation accidents pilot error may be a contributing factor. But to bash these pilots is ridiculous, they have flown missions with the 160th SOAR in combat. We operate in an unforgiving environment, we can't have an oops and walk away with our normal flight profile. We live for what we do, we eat, sleep and breathe Army Aviation. This crew was our best, so I ask again please respect the friends, husbands and fathers that we lost on Tuesday. They are gone along with 7 other badass killers. Respect that we take these risks so yall don't have too.
TF Voodoo 1-244th AHB
Roll Da Bones
The crash report will determine the cause of the accident. Like 99% of aviation accidents pilot error may be a contributing factor. But to bash these pilots is ridiculous, they have flown missions with the 160th SOAR in combat. We operate in an unforgiving environment, we can't have an oops and walk away with our normal flight profile. We live for what we do, we eat, sleep and breathe Army Aviation. This crew was our best, so I ask again please respect the friends, husbands and fathers that we lost on Tuesday. They are gone along with 7 other badass killers. Respect that we take these risks so yall don't have too.
TF Voodoo 1-244th AHB
Roll Da Bones
Posted on 3/12/15 at 7:33 pm to chew4219
One heli turned back ... The other had a last transmission of IMC someone here said.
What's IMC?
What's IMC?
Posted on 3/12/15 at 7:40 pm to tiger91
Instrument Meteorological Conditions.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 8:14 pm to chew4219
I'm not any kind of pilot, much less a military pilot with thousands of hours. Maybe you can answer a couple of questions for me...
If media reports are accurate, this accident happened around 8:30pm. Civil twilight would have ended an hour or so earlier and moonrise wasn't until 11:22pm that night. I assume it was a very dark night. The pilots have available, if they weren't already wearing, NVGs, but wouldn't they be flying on instruments? I understand that if they flew into a fog bank that they'd lose any exterior visual references (lights on the horizon, etc.), but aren't they primarily relying on their instruments already?
I'm not trying to be disrespectful or place blame, I'm just trying to figure out how you guys are operating in the cockpit.
If media reports are accurate, this accident happened around 8:30pm. Civil twilight would have ended an hour or so earlier and moonrise wasn't until 11:22pm that night. I assume it was a very dark night. The pilots have available, if they weren't already wearing, NVGs, but wouldn't they be flying on instruments? I understand that if they flew into a fog bank that they'd lose any exterior visual references (lights on the horizon, etc.), but aren't they primarily relying on their instruments already?
I'm not trying to be disrespectful or place blame, I'm just trying to figure out how you guys are operating in the cockpit.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 8:29 pm to White Roach
Our NVGs allow us to see through obscurations like light fog and mist. Even for us in the unit, we are getting very limited information. Basically,we just get the updates on recovery.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 8:32 pm to chew4219
I'm sure it will all eventually come out but in the military even training is inherently dangerous. I know it's in our nature to try and figure out why things happen but I hope the narrative on this incident is on honoring those that died and helping their families rather than trying to piece together the exact cause. Even when the intent of unearthing it isn't to lay blame it inadvertantly happens.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 8:39 pm to chew4219
So you're in the unit out of hammond. You either are my good buddy or know him, initials?
Posted on 3/12/15 at 8:56 pm to Charlie Arglist
I deployed with the 244th on my last tour with the LANG. The 244th is tight knit group and I can only imagine how hard this is on the unit and their families.
The thought that I probably trained and flew with those involved in this accident is tough to think about. I'm 100 percent sure that they left this world doing something they absolutely loved doing. In time I hope this fact gives their families and the unit some solace.
The thought that I probably trained and flew with those involved in this accident is tough to think about. I'm 100 percent sure that they left this world doing something they absolutely loved doing. In time I hope this fact gives their families and the unit some solace.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 9:12 pm to BIGDAB
Well today is the last time I go into a public place in uniform...
"Are you in the unit in Hammond?"
"Did you know any of those guys?"
Etc...
"Are you in the unit in Hammond?"
"Did you know any of those guys?"
Etc...
Posted on 3/12/15 at 9:49 pm to Lakeboy7
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LA National Guard aviation is well known and well thought of across the board.
I completely agree with you.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 10:17 pm to chew4219
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But to bash these pilots is ridiculous,
NG pilots are some of the best. Some people mistakenly think they only fly one weekend a month. I'd take my chances with a NG helo pilot anytime ... anytime.
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so I ask again please respect the friends, husbands and fathers that we lost on Tuesday.
THIS frickin THIS.
Thank God for people such as this.
This post was edited on 3/12/15 at 10:26 pm
Posted on 3/12/15 at 10:24 pm to unbeWEAVEable
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Well today is the last time I go into a public place in uniform...
"Are you in the unit in Hammond?"
"Did you know any of those guys?"
Etc...
Wear your uniform and wear it with pride. Answer those people. They just want to make a connection in some way. You may not know any of the people involved. I doubt I do but I'll wear my veterans cap. If given the opportunity to speak about it my response is "No. Thats a real bad situation there. We lost some of the finest people that there is" or something like that. Just a way to praise our people and give the civilians a way to make a connection.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 10:37 pm to Redbone
Who's bashing the pilots or being disrespectful? It's a terrible accident that took eleven lives, at least four of which had local ties. I think people are generally supportive of the military and all are sympathetic to the tragic situation the families find theirselves in.
I doubt anyone knows what actually happened yet. Maybe there's something obvious at the crash site (power lines or some other obstruction that show signs of a collision) but I'd guess it's going to take a while for the investigation to identify the cause or causes.
I doubt anyone knows what actually happened yet. Maybe there's something obvious at the crash site (power lines or some other obstruction that show signs of a collision) but I'd guess it's going to take a while for the investigation to identify the cause or causes.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 11:29 pm to unbeWEAVEable
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Well today is the last time I go into a public place in uniform...
You shouldn't do that anyway.
Posted on 3/13/15 at 4:42 am to WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
It was a gas station but thank you for feeling the need to get on some sort of high horse.
Posted on 3/13/15 at 5:59 am to Lakeboy7
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LA National Guard aviation is well known and well thought of across the board.
Absolutely
Posted on 3/13/15 at 7:12 am to Lakeboy7
I have been known to shite on LaNG on a regular basis here, but maybe I was just generalizing at the time..
This statement
is a FACT....I find more and more of these guys everyday that I know, and tell them this..Much respect
This statement
quote:
LA National Guard aviation is well known and well thought of across the board.
is a FACT....I find more and more of these guys everyday that I know, and tell them this..Much respect
Posted on 3/13/15 at 7:33 am to GrammarKnotsi
Just like most on here.... I know several in the 244th as well as the 204th. I want to know who the crew was but I also don't want to know. I know some of the AGR staff, been flown all over the place by the crew, helped them get ready for deployments, etc and these Soldiers are top notch!!
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