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re: John Oliver goes after anti-vaxxers in his most recent episode (video)
Posted on 6/26/17 at 1:24 pm to zatetic
Posted on 6/26/17 at 1:24 pm to zatetic
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They have studies you can look up comparing the Amish. Autistic rates for Amish are virtually nil.
that is interesting. Amish in my area are some of the most hard-core conservative in America. They use midwives to deliver their children but are allowed access to hospitals if something goes wrong. if modern medicine was allowing more autistic babies to be born, wouldn't we see an increase in autism among Amish?
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Posted on 6/26/17 at 1:25 pm to BigJake
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Vaccines are important my children are vaccinated, but the meteoric rise in autism cases is linked to something, and many have said vaccines are the culprit.
Do you have autism?
Posted on 6/26/17 at 1:27 pm to Byron Bojangles III
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Best news show on tv. The
For everything other than election coverage I agree with you. He was the successor to Stewart.
Although he's definitely a liberal he does tend to show both sides of the issue and he does tend to back up everything he says with actual research and he definitely bring policies to light no one else talk about.
But his election coverage was unwatchable. He let his personal views bleed way into his show and it showed.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 1:35 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
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that is interesting. Amish in my area are some of the most hard-core conservative in America. They use midwives to deliver their children but are allowed access to hospitals if something goes wrong. if modern medicine was allowing more autistic babies to be born, wouldn't we see an increase in autism among Amish?
There are beliefs that autism is a genetic condition, which would help explain the lower rates among the Amish. Additionally, surveys suggest 68% of the Amish have vaccinated their children, which is below the national average, but certainly a substantial number.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 1:38 pm to baldona
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Are you just acting this dumb and ignorant or literally this dumb and ignorant?
i'm really this dumb and ignorant.
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would you rather risk autism or measles?
it looks like the chances of getting measles is about one and 100 and the chances of dying from Measels is about one in 1 million. The guy I was responding to said even if they are right about MMR causing autism in 1/75 kids, it's still better than the alternative. I disagree.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 1:55 pm to efrad
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It should be a crime to not get your kids vaccinated. Hell my kids are vaccinated for chicken pox even
Every parent absolutely should get their child vaccinated. That having been said, take a look at the morons in our congress. Look at all the big pharma lobbyists. Now consider that you want every American child to be mandatorily injected with whatever these people say you have to. No thanks. I'll stick with freedom thank you.
Very well said and my feelings too. While herd immunity is a very real thing and lack of vaccinations does pose a potential threat, so are various other dangers which could be mitigated with increased regulations, bigger government and limiting certain freedoms. As you said, I'll stick with freedom, thank you.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 1:55 pm to CunningLinguist
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Medical science is more advanced than ever before. The rise in autism has more to do with increased knowledge then anything else. Medical professionals know how to diagnose something like that. 100 years ago an autisitc kid would be considered a mute/special needs kid
I don't really know much about autism, but this makes sense. Just thinking back to being in school and thinking about some kids. There was this one girl who was in my classes in elementary school, which was the "accelerated class". She was smart, but this chick use to freak the frick out over everything. If any little thing didn't go a certain way or she was disrupted from doing something she would start screaming and crying.. Going under the desk and throwing shite.
Back then it was just called "crazy". "Here we go. __________ is going crazy again".
Posted on 6/26/17 at 1:57 pm to BigJake
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and many have said vaccines are the culprit
No one with any legitimate evidence has said that, yet thats still the narrative.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 2:08 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
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it looks like the chances of getting measles is about one and 100 and the chances of dying from Measels is about one in 1 million. The guy I was responding to said even if they are right about MMR causing autism in 1/75 kids, it's still better than the alternative. I disagree.
That was me with the 1/75 stat and it was completely made up. Furthermore, Measles is only one of 3 things vaccinated for in 1 MMR shot. Add to that, the anti vaxxers are anti basically all vaccines not just MMR like the original BS article said.
Finally, its much more than just death. Its going through it first of all, and there are all kinds of other complications that having something like measles can cause that you are ignorantly leaving out.
Lastly, Autism is diagnosed at the point now on an extremely large spectrum. 25 years ago you may of only been autistic if you basically could not function in society, now we are diagnosing a huge percentage of kids who are autistic just because of their social skills and one or two other minor factors. Many of those kids on the autism spectrum will move on to live almost normal lives especially compared to the scope of society.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 2:24 pm to OweO
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I don't really know much about autism,
No one does. One thing they are finding is heat shock response proteins behave abnormally in people with autism. That would mean that high fever would be something to be avoided, especially in develpomental stages.
Google heat shock and autism.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 2:32 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
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No one does. One thing they are finding is heat shock response proteins behave abnormally in people with autism. That would mean that high fever would be something to be avoided, especially in develpomental stages.
Google heat shock and autism.
So basically if you have autism that's caused by something outside of modern human issues like a vaccine, you should be vaccinated because that would reduce the numerous diseases that cause high fevers. What a crazy idea.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 2:35 pm to JohnZeroQ
Yeah it is
Posted on 6/26/17 at 2:42 pm to lsucoonass
The misinfo on vaccines baffles me
Posted on 6/26/17 at 3:03 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
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dying from Measels is about one in 1 million.
Try 1 out of 1000 for children and infants. And as far as chances of getting it, lets have everyone stop vaccinating and watch that number balloon.
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In 1912, measles became a nationally notifiable disease in the United States, requiring U.S. healthcare providers and laboratories to report all diagnosed cases. In the first decade of reporting, an average of 6,000 measles-related deaths were reported each year.
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n the decade before 1963 when a vaccine became available, nearly all children got measles by the time they were 15 years of age. It is estimated 3 to 4 million people in the United States were infected each year. Also each year an estimated 400 to 500 people died, 48,000 were hospitalized, and 4,000 suffered encephalitis (swelling of the brain) from measles.
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In 1978, CDC set a goal to eliminate measles from the United States by 1982. Although this goal was not met, widespread use of measles vaccine drastically reduced the disease rates. By 1981, the number of reported measles cases was 80% less compared with the previous year.
Source: The Center for Disease Control
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ETA: it's also of note that in 1963 we had only 181 million people
This post was edited on 6/26/17 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 6/26/17 at 3:06 pm to blzr
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Are people still using that word? Makes you sound dumb as cuck
FIFY
Posted on 6/26/17 at 3:11 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
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The argument that near non-existent rates of autism amongst the Amish are related to a failure to vaccinate rests on two assumptions: 1) that the Amish do not vaccinate their children, and 2) that the Amish do not get autism. Both assumptions are false. A 2011 study published in the journal Pediatrics surveyed 1,000 Amish parents about their vaccination habits. Of the 359 people who responded: 68% stated that all of their children had received at least 1 immunization, and 17% reported that some of their children had received at least 1 immunization.
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Preliminary data have identified the presence of ASD in the Amish community at a rate of approximately 1 in 271 children using standard ASD screening and diagnostic tools although some modifications may be in order. Further studies are underway to address the cultural norms and customs that may be playing a role in the reporting style of caregivers, as observed by the ADI. Accurate determination of the ASD phenotype in the Amish is a first step in the design of genetic studies of ASD in this population.
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The un-cited misinformation in this thread is remarkable
Posted on 6/26/17 at 3:21 pm to GetCocky11
at you guys caring about Last Cuck Tonight with Johnny Trigger Warning. I always thought the anti-vax movement was pointless until the lefty mainstream media began attacking it. Probably something to it.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 3:22 pm to AlonsoWDC
Posted on 6/26/17 at 3:31 pm to GetCocky11
I remember when my wife freaked out over our daughter getting spots all over her tummy and back after the mmr. I knew it was unlikely she would get measles, I read the literature and about 1/20 kids gets delayed reactions that can resemble measles. So I made an appt with the physician, next day those bumps were gone and I didn't have to take her in.
Parents also need to realize that vaccines typically are a low dosage of the virus itself. The body learns to defend itself against the virus in order to develop an immunity. Therefore having mmr like symptoms aren't all that uncommon as side effects.
Parents also need to realize that vaccines typically are a low dosage of the virus itself. The body learns to defend itself against the virus in order to develop an immunity. Therefore having mmr like symptoms aren't all that uncommon as side effects.
This post was edited on 6/26/17 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 6/26/17 at 3:38 pm to GetCocky11
Bridge the sarchasm here.
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