re: John Oliver goes after anti-vaxxers in his most recent episode (video)

I still don't understand how the Anti-Vaxxers view Autism as being worse than Mumps, measles, etc.?

Ok, let's even give in and say that Autism rates have doubled from 1 in 150 to 1 in 75 are now "in the spectrum" because of vaccines. As a father of 2, I'm still taking that chance over my kid literally dying from mumps, measles, etc. Frankly its a no brainer for me.

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It should be a crime to not get your kids vaccinated. Hell my kids are vaccinated for chicken pox even

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Every parent absolutely should get their child vaccinated. That having been said, take a look at the morons in our congress. Look at all the big pharma lobbyists. Now consider that you want every American child to be mandatorily injected with whatever these people say you have to. No thanks. I'll stick with freedom thank you.

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Measles and mumps aren't that fatal, are they? There are several hundred cases every year in the US but almost no deaths. Maybe in the 3rd world where hygeine is an issue and medicine sucks.

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I said that because MMR is where the Autism thing originated, but here's some facts from online: MMR link




Measles

Fact sheet
Reviewed March 2017

Key facts

Measles is one of the leading causes of death among young children even though a safe and cost-effective vaccine is available.
In 2015, there were 134 200 measles deaths globally – about 367 deaths every day or 15 deaths every hour.
Measles vaccination resulted in a 79% drop in measles deaths between 2000 and 2015 worldwide.
In 2015, about 85% of the world's children received one dose of measles vaccine by their first birthday through routine health services – up from 73% in 2000.
During 2000-2015, measles vaccination prevented an estimated 20.3 million deaths making measles vaccine one of the best buys in public health.

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Vaccines are important my children are vaccinated, but the meteoric rise in autism cases is linked to something, and many have said vaccines are the culprit. Time will tell.

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Actually, the longer "time" drags on the more we find the research that has been used to push this anti-vaccination agenda is absolute bunk.

More children identified with autism has a lot more to do with the changing diagnostic material used to identify autism than anything. The jump is there because instead of just labeling these kids as "social awkward" we're finding that they're actually on the spectrum.

I'm all for telling anti-vaxxers that unless their kids have a medical reason to not receive a vaccine they can keep their little petri dishes home and home school their asses with their crazy.

I agree

I just didn't have the time to write that out too.

Nicely put

Agreed

Many children can still become successful with autism. It's not a death sentence that some people want to believe

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The only relevant stats would be the ones in the US, which show a death rate around one person for every couple thousand that get measles. The guy said even if one in 75 kids got autism from vaccinating that was better than taking a chance of dying of measles, which is far more rare and our society.

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It's rarer now because of the vaccine (1963 is when it was widely distributed). Before the vaccine there were an estimated 3-4 million cases annually in the US with around 450-500 deaths. And thousands that suffered from encephalitis (inflammtion of the brain). The US was even able to declare measles as eliminated due to vaccines in 2000.

Of course when around 2014 when the anti-vax movement started to become more popular, the reported cases just from 37 to 667. 77% of those cases were in vaccinated children. And those numbers have continued to rise.

CDC stats

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I'd be curious to see stats on the death rate of unvaccinated vs vaccinated kids due to diseases that there are vaccines for. The Amish is a huge group that all live close together and would be cheap and easy to study

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They have studies you can look up comparing the Amish. Autistic rates for Amish are virtually nil. Most of these anti vaxxers that spread diseases are refugees. Far more important than vaccines is cleanliness and hygiene, which was the biggest improvement over the 1900s.

Really the problem with vaccines are the other things they put in them like mercury and aluminum as preservatives. Even though mercury was supposed to be removed the companies keep using it. You give your kids a bunch of vaccines (which they give way more to a kid now than ever) then you may end up giving your kid heavy metal poisoning which causes huge cognitive disabilities. Heavy metal poisoning and autism have a lot of the same hallmarks. Vaccines aren't equal, you have to look for ones that aren't loaded with shite if you want to be a responsible parent.

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so when people talk about their kids "literally" dying from measles it's about one in a million...IF they get measles?

That is surprising since people make it out to be the black plague.

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Are you just acting this dumb and ignorant or literally this dumb and ignorant? You realize there are other issues beyond just death right? And again, how many kids die from Autism? Literally 0. So would you rather risk autism or risk measles? There are many forms of cancer that are highly treatable in the USA today, do you want to still get one of those cancers?

Remember, there is 0 link between vaccines and Autism. Your kid could get no vaccines and still be Autistic.

In 2016 there were more cases of Measles in Minnesota because of their Somali refugees than the entire rest of the USA.

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a closet gay who wears hipster clothing and has a hipster beard and also wears thick black framed hipster glasses and only eats at certified organic vegan restauarants

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This is actually exactly how I imagined you. Go figure.