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re: Jackson, MS man indicted murder 1st after killing 17yo trying to steal his Lexus
Posted on 1/8/17 at 7:30 pm to TigernMS12
Posted on 1/8/17 at 7:30 pm to TigernMS12
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Agreed completely. However, should it go to trial, the State will have a manslaughter charge as a lesser included and the jury can go manslaughter or murder.
Good point. I believe a video has been released showing the first act of violence was the kid, picking up rocks and bricks and throwing them at car windows. The guy was trying to chase him off to prevent more damage. The kid didn't flee but went on the attack. Can't even see how they have a shot at manslaughter. Also, the kid's mother said that had the kid gotten the gun that he would have killed the man, and the kid was being dropped off at juvey that morning and had a history. It won't even matter if they guy had the gun drawn, fired a warning shot, etc - if the kid attacked him, it was self defense.
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Posted on 1/8/17 at 7:31 pm to Peazey
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You can't kill somebody to protect property.
I remember a case in Texas about 20 years ago where a man saw someone taking his truck from his driveway in the middle of the night and shot at him. The bullets went thru the truck door and killed him. Turned out the truck was being repossessed, but because the shooter didn't know it was a repo agent and had a reasonable belief that his property was being stolen he was declared innocent.
It was a huge deal at the time. Lots of people debated the use of deadly force to protect property versus protecting life. And some states passed more stringent laws about what was necessary before lawful use of deadly force, Texas said "frick you, don't steal."
Posted on 1/8/17 at 7:32 pm to SuperSaint
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Would that be considered having a deadly weapon?
Depends if you talking about justifying deadly force. If he's 100 ft. away, then no. If he's 20ft. away and charging, then yes. IMO, ultimately it's a jury question.
Posted on 1/8/17 at 7:34 pm to TigernMS12
Yep. But did he? And if he did, does it hurt or help his defense.
Him running out there with a gun looks bad (see other posts). But if he can prove that he always has the gun on him...
Just speculating.
Him running out there with a gun looks bad (see other posts). But if he can prove that he always has the gun on him...
Just speculating.
Posted on 1/8/17 at 7:35 pm to TigernMS12
Still accurate. But yeah, I otherwise agree with you. Personally I wouldn't have confronted the guy. I still think that is the smarter play.
Posted on 1/8/17 at 7:36 pm to TigernMS12
quote:are you an attorney in MS?
TigernMS12
Posted on 1/8/17 at 7:37 pm to UF
quote:wow
Also, the kid's mother said that had the kid gotten the gun that he would have killed the man,
Posted on 1/8/17 at 7:39 pm to Peazey
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Personally I wouldn't have confronted the guy.
i possibly wouldn't have either, but in the heat of the moment if i saw some piece of shite trying to steal my car while I was in a store i don't think i would NOT go outside to try to confront him
the biggest issue is that the POS then rushed him and tried to attack him
it's just hard for me to say "the law-abiding person is wrong for trying to stop a $50k+ piece of property from being stolen and then having to run away when the criminal tries to attack him". at some point we have to start giving lots of leeway to the good side who is not acting utterly against society
Posted on 1/8/17 at 7:41 pm to Merck
quote:a tall lanky as qb in the jersey shore enclave in south central Louisiana had a case similar a few years ago,.. don't think anyone died, but pretty sure the guy may have gotten some time.... I also think they were breaking into cars and he had already been broken into once and was pretty much in a 'lay and wait' situation,... I could have the story all fudged up or entangled with another... who knows
where a man saw someone taking his truck from his driveway in the middle of the night and shot at him. The bullets went thru the truck door and killed him.
Posted on 1/8/17 at 7:41 pm to tduecen
So man goes to jail for trying to protect his shite?
Posted on 1/8/17 at 7:41 pm to SuperSaint
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quote:
Also, the kid's mother said that had the kid gotten the gun that he would have killed the man,
wow
Yeah....if they put her in the box she may secure an acquittal herself.
Posted on 1/8/17 at 7:43 pm to zsav77
quote:I know you do.
I hope you get robbed and buttfricked. Seriously.
Posted on 1/8/17 at 7:43 pm to SEClint
quote:Melt
frick you, hope you get robbed.
Posted on 1/8/17 at 7:44 pm to ballscaster
so you honestly think that force shouldn't be allowed in defense of your person when another violently attacks you and tries to take your gun?
Posted on 1/8/17 at 7:44 pm to UF
What kills me about these cases is that the government is fully entitled to come snatch you at the point of a gun if you refuse to pay just $5 in taxes. Yet a citizen is made out to be a villain for trying to prevent a $50,000 vehicle from being stolen.
Posted on 1/8/17 at 7:45 pm to SuperSaint
Someone did die in that event
Posted on 1/8/17 at 7:45 pm to UF
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Yet a citizen is made out to be a villain for trying to prevent a $50,000 vehicle from being stolen.
who then gets attacked by the villain/criminal
Posted on 1/8/17 at 7:45 pm to UF
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Also, the kid's mother said that had the kid gotten the gun that he would have killed the man
Yikes. If the DEFENSE happens to land the mother as a witness, the state might as well quit while they're ahead.
This post was edited on 1/8/17 at 7:47 pm
Posted on 1/8/17 at 7:46 pm to SuperSaint
This is why I stay the frick out of Jafrica.
Posted on 1/8/17 at 7:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
8 times in Juve in the last 2 years, why is this kid on the street?
The magistrate that he has been going before is the one that needs to be examined and locked up.
I would bet majority of the really really shitty crimes are all done by a small percentage of the really really shitty people.... that all already have extensive criminal records
I heard a heard a NO detective say that a handful or two of very violent guys or clicks in New Orleans were probably responsible for huge percentage of the violent crimes. But that get locked up and right back out and right back to terrorizing.
And they will lock me up for a dwi for failing a piss test for a pill I had a prescription for.
The magistrate that he has been going before is the one that needs to be examined and locked up.
I would bet majority of the really really shitty crimes are all done by a small percentage of the really really shitty people.... that all already have extensive criminal records
I heard a heard a NO detective say that a handful or two of very violent guys or clicks in New Orleans were probably responsible for huge percentage of the violent crimes. But that get locked up and right back out and right back to terrorizing.
And they will lock me up for a dwi for failing a piss test for a pill I had a prescription for.
This post was edited on 1/8/17 at 7:48 pm
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