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re: Is the idea of eternal life appealing to you?

Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:47 pm to
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
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Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:47 pm to
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Problem is that God is the source of all life and peace and love ect... So when you choose eternity without God then you choose eternity without peace, love, life... ect...


I'm not sure you understand Christian theology. Your description paints a very rosy picture of the tortures of hell described in the bible. Have those beliefs changed now? Is there no longer a hell filled with pain and punishment?

It just seems like every time we advance as a society religion is stuck in the past and then changes to remain acceptable.

When we discovered how old the earth is... The old testament just became a story

When eternal hell fire sounds extreme to a peaceful society...
Well hell isn't torture it's just life without god

Etc. Etc.
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:02 pm to
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This may sound stupid but I think the human body and how it works is a perfect example of a higher being and how different the female anatomy is than the male. They were made to re-produce specifically.


I sort of think the opposite. It's hard for me to think there's a supreme being up there thinking when he created us, "Hey, I need to give these bodies a gall bladder to store bile."
This post was edited on 6/28/17 at 1:02 pm
Posted by klrstix
Shreveport, LA
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:58 pm to
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Well hell isn't torture it's just life without god



I completely get what you are saying... I am not attempting to redefine hell to something that is not biblical...

On the contrary... I think the description of hell found in the bible (usually described in terms of hell fire brimstone ect..) falls far short of capturing the horrible conditions... In the same way human language cannot fully describe the wonderful nature of heaven so it cannot fully describe hell.

I would also argue (respectfully) that anyone that considers eternity completely separated from the source of all life love peace ect... (God) as a rosy picture has not truly contemplated what that would be like...

This post was edited on 6/28/17 at 2:00 pm
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 6/28/17 at 2:43 pm to
I hear you. All I'm trying to say is...

We both agree hell is a terrible place

Let's use the dog analogy. Say you have a litter full of dogs. Dogs that can't even begin to contemplate the nature of your being. Would you want to have any of those dogs sent to hell for eternity for anything they did?

Your answer should be no

If it is, why can an imperfect version of god (Us, created in his image, but imperfect because of sin) almost instantaneously without debate realize that is a terrible system to create?

Wouldn't a perfect version of ourselves (God) be able to see even more clearly that such a fate is terrible? It would be better if God didn't create that person then for them to suffer for an eternity
Posted by klrstix
Shreveport, LA
Member since Oct 2006
3206 posts
Posted on 6/28/17 at 3:28 pm to
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Let's use the dog analogy.


Interesting analogy but is (imo) flawed in 2 ways.

1) Unlike your dog analogy, people can and do contemplate the nature and character of God. At best limited, at worst destructive but nonetheless, there it is...

2) Christian Theology is built around the concept the God has never simply left man to his on devices (which seems to be implied in your analogy). God does not sit idle on the sidelines watching what we will do next. Rather, through human agency, he is engaged with humanity to reveal himself to us. Hence the redemptive story..


Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 6/28/17 at 3:57 pm to
1) I agree it's flawed. I only used it because someone else compared us to dogs in a previous post.

Then just substitute other humans. Should any human be punished for eternity for their set of very specific beliefs at the time of their death? Let's say you could create a computer simulation (matrix) that emulated this. Would you? Why or why not?

If you can answer that I can get to my point

2) I don't feel like anything has been revealed to me that is anymore relevant than other things I hear about every day. I then research those things and decide if I believe them or not. Organized religion is the only group that asks me to suspend those innate instincts, and it all just seems very convenient
This post was edited on 6/28/17 at 3:58 pm
Posted by klrstix
Shreveport, LA
Member since Oct 2006
3206 posts
Posted on 6/28/17 at 4:47 pm to
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2) I don't feel like anything has been revealed to me that is anymore relevant than other things I hear about every day. I then research those things and decide if I believe them or not. Organized religion is the only group that asks me to suspend those innate instincts, and it all just seems very convenient


I do get what you are saying. I do not think (again, this is merely my opinion..) God asks us to "suspend our instincts" to use your phrase. Often times I think fellow Christians take the lazy way out because the questions asked, such as the one you raise, are difficult to answer. I know I have done that on occasion.

I completely understand the logic and reasoning I often hear from others when they express their reasons for doubt or out right disbelief. God is not anti-logical ( tho sometimes we would be lead to believe that...) but I would suggest that His logic and rational is derived from different factors than ours. It would be impossible for me to understand much less convey what those factors might be at the moment.

This post was edited on 6/28/17 at 4:48 pm
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 6/28/17 at 4:53 pm to
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