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re: Is the idea of eternal life appealing to you?
Posted on 6/28/17 at 11:02 am to WaWaWeeWa
Posted on 6/28/17 at 11:02 am to WaWaWeeWa
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Why do some people get to see a ghost or have a near death experience? At that point are they accepting god on faith? If I had a near death experience it would be alot easier for me to believe
I'm totally in agreement with you here. One of the guys who actually witnessed everything Jesus did first hand still didn't believe and was allowed to see and feel the wounds on Jesus. If someone who witnessed it all was still afforded some evidence to see with his own eyes, why are people thousands of years later expected to believe on faith alone?
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Posted on 6/28/17 at 11:09 am to Kracka
Yeah, we are hard-wired to be crushed if we lose a young child to Death. It's a fate worse than death for a parent.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 11:16 am to jchamil
You're misunderstood. Thomas didn't believe that He was risen from the dead and appearing to others.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 11:25 am to WaWaWeeWa
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Where do they go? Straight to heaven?
If so, the best thing anyone could have ever done for me was kill me when I was 5. That is a factual statement. Does that seem right to you?
And at what age does this happen. Specifically, there had to be one moment where a child goes from not responsible to responsible for their thoughts. What if they die the next week not believing, but another kid had 90 years to then confess his faith in God on his death bed?
Seems reasonable
a young child is innocent in God's eyes and knows not sin. When you know whether your sinning or not and choosing to sin, (age of countability) then the wages of sin is death.
As for waiting until the last minute, have you not heard the first shall be last and the last shall be first? As long as you get right with God before life ends, your going to heaven. The thief on the cross is a good example. He was a thief and before he died, he believed in Jesus and went to where He is
Posted on 6/28/17 at 11:26 am to CatsGoneWild
So maybe you can help me out.
We already described a system where by people are supposed to believe in God based on faith, despite modern advances in science, or being raised to believe other religions. Failure to do so results in eternal punishment. We already described some people being shown more evidence than others (near death experiences, etc) which inherently makes the system unfair.
would you say that is semi-accurate? If so, and if God created man in his image (albeit imperfect because we are sinners)
Then why does this unfair, irrational system seem so crazy to us lowly humans? Why would a perfect version of man (God) punish anything for eternity, when the imperfect version of god (man) can clearly see it is immoral?
Unless you believe eternal suffering is an appropriate punishment
We already described a system where by people are supposed to believe in God based on faith, despite modern advances in science, or being raised to believe other religions. Failure to do so results in eternal punishment. We already described some people being shown more evidence than others (near death experiences, etc) which inherently makes the system unfair.
would you say that is semi-accurate? If so, and if God created man in his image (albeit imperfect because we are sinners)
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Genesis 1:27
So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.
Then why does this unfair, irrational system seem so crazy to us lowly humans? Why would a perfect version of man (God) punish anything for eternity, when the imperfect version of god (man) can clearly see it is immoral?
Unless you believe eternal suffering is an appropriate punishment
Posted on 6/28/17 at 11:30 am to CatsGoneWild
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a young child is innocent in God's eyes and knows not sin. When you know whether your sinning or not and choosing to sin, (age of countability) then the wages of sin is death.
So what happens to a young child that dies before the age of accountability?
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As long as you get right with God before life ends, your going to heaven.
Again this all seems like a cruel game of timing. Why does God choose to take my life when I don't believe as opposed to when I did believe? Or who is to say the non believer if given another 5 years wouldn't choose to believe.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 11:35 am to WaWaWeeWa
As I said, we're not perfect. We are all sinners but we can be forgiven. He created us to serve him, as it goes back to Adam and Eve. We chose to fail /sin but Jesus made a way for all of that to be blotched out. Why do you think God sent Jesus into the world when he didn't have to? Is because of his love for us and he made a way for us that we can go to heaven. As I said it's our choice. It's either we want to go or we can choose not. You cannot serve two masters.
This is my own thought that just popped in my head. Imagine if you had a dog, you would want it to do what you wanted it to do right? Would it be a bad dog if it didn't want nothing to do with you, but loved your neighbor and did everything your neighbor asked? You bought the dog for yourself, but it went off and served someone else.
This is my own thought that just popped in my head. Imagine if you had a dog, you would want it to do what you wanted it to do right? Would it be a bad dog if it didn't want nothing to do with you, but loved your neighbor and did everything your neighbor asked? You bought the dog for yourself, but it went off and served someone else.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 11:37 am to CatsGoneWild
So, as a dog owner, do you think a reasonable punishment for your dog serving someone else is eternal damnation in a lake of fire?
Posted on 6/28/17 at 11:40 am to Pepe Lepew
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You have much more faith than me, to believe there's no creator
This may sound stupid but I think the human body and how it works is a perfect example of a higher being and how different the female anatomy is than the male. They were made to re-produce specifically.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 11:41 am to CatsGoneWild
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This is my own thought that just popped in my head. Imagine if you had a dog, you would want it to do what you wanted it to do right? Would it be a bad dog if it didn't want nothing to do with you, but loved your neighbor and did everything your neighbor asked? You bought the dog for yourself, but it went off and served someone else.
How can we be equivalent to God's dog if we haven't even seen him? We only have a book written by other dogs describing him
Then you are going to punish the dog for spending time with the neighbor who spends time with the dog and gives him treats?
That's messed up
If God just wants an obedient dog why doesn't he just come down and say that. Instead of us excepting it on faith.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 11:41 am to TheIndulger
As I said, my thinking....not God's. I don't make the rules. No matter what we do in life, we have rules. Job, school, etc. We either choose to follow or get in trouble. Its usually a punishment. People might not agree with the eternal life. But, either way, I'm making sure I'm right so I can live in peace instead of suffering forever. That's my choice
Posted on 6/28/17 at 11:43 am to Howyouluhdat
There is a clear path through evolution to the development of a complex human body.
Just like there is an evolutionary path for a whale
Just like there is an evolutionary path for a whale
Posted on 6/28/17 at 11:45 am to CatsGoneWild
Why would god create me if he knew I would end up suffering for the rest of eternity?
Why does there have to be suffering involved?
Why does there have to be suffering involved?
Posted on 6/28/17 at 11:57 am to WaWaWeeWa
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There is a clear path through evolution to the development of a complex human body.
Ones internal organs adapting over time seems other worldly in itself
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:02 pm to CatsGoneWild
Most punishments in our society are reasonable for the crime.
God's punishment for not following him is eternal torture. Why would you choose to serve someone like that?
God's punishment for not following him is eternal torture. Why would you choose to serve someone like that?
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:11 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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If so, the best thing anyone could have ever done for me was kill me when I was 5.
No he wants to live your life and spread the word. If you die then so be it. There is free will in the world of Christianity that nobody seems to comprehend. Things happen that God does not control
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:17 pm to TheIndulger
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God's punishment for not following him is eternal torture. Why would you choose to serve someone like that?
I do not have the time fully respond to the error of this logic. But fundamentally the error lies at the root of not understanding the Christian Theology (using this term for the sake of this discussion) of God.
Short version of this is if you reject God... note God did not reject you... Then you get your wish... eternity without God...
Problem is that God is the source of all life and peace and love ect... So when you choose eternity without God then you choose eternity without peace, love, life... ect...
That was not God's choice for you... it is what you chose...
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:20 pm to klrstix
Great answer
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:40 pm to Howyouluhdat
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Ones internal organs adapting over time seems other worldly in itself
Not if you understand the process of evolution. It's pretty simple really. All it takes is variation and time
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:41 pm to Howyouluhdat
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Things happen that God does not control
So he picks and chooses what to control when he performs miracles?
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