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re: Incredible Bodycam Footage From Charlotte Police-Involved Shooting Shows Behind The Scenes
Posted on 7/14/17 at 8:47 am to TigersSEC2010
Posted on 7/14/17 at 8:47 am to TigersSEC2010
If he was black, instead of Russian, can you imagine the marches, protests, and StrongSafety threads about the killing this clearly innocent dindu?
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Posted on 7/14/17 at 8:54 am to Roaad
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If he was black, instead of Russian, can you imagine the marches, protests, and StrongSafety threads about the killing this clearly innocent dindu?
Oh, no doubt. That shooting would've been a national story if he was black.
"All he did was point a rifle at the cops. He got a second amendment right like errybody else!"
Posted on 7/14/17 at 8:58 am to upgrayedd
The cops should have known he had mental issues would be another argument if he wasn't white
Posted on 7/14/17 at 8:58 am to upgrayedd
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25 yards with a sudden adrenaline dump is nothing to scoff at.
Exactly.
Plus, the cop had just sprinted full speed a good little ways.
That shot was amazing.
Posted on 7/14/17 at 9:08 am to TigersSEC2010
Great fricking shot. I can't hit shite with a pistol.
Posted on 7/14/17 at 9:11 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:This. Just was sad for the mentally ill man who probably wasn't in a state of mind to make rational decisions and still paid the ultimate price, the poor woman who seemingly took care of him (or at least cared for him) witnessing him get shot/killed, and for the police officer, especially when he called his wife to tell her what had happened. I can't imagine getting a call like that knowing that the road ahead would be paved with uncertainty for a little while (or possibly for a very long time). Man, body cams are just the way to go. Every police officer in the country should be outfitted with them, both to show the good and the bad.
It's extremely unfortunate for everyone involved. It's unfortunate that he didn't have family or friends who would get that rifle out of his house, its unfortunate for the guy who had to shoot him, its unfortunate for everyone who had to see it. Nothing good happened here.
This post was edited on 7/14/17 at 9:12 am
Posted on 7/14/17 at 9:14 am to Scoop
Aim small, miss small.
Posted on 7/14/17 at 9:14 am to TigersSEC2010
dropped that Rooskie like a stone.
Well done, officer.
Well done, officer.
Posted on 7/14/17 at 9:17 am to upgrayedd
Nonsense. Just talk if the detective asks you questions. They're your friends.
Posted on 7/14/17 at 9:18 am to Tiguar
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Nonsense. Just talk if the detective asks you questions. They're your friends.
Somebody's been watching The First 48
Posted on 7/14/17 at 9:21 am to TigersSEC2010
I would have had to shoot that stupid bitch.
Posted on 7/14/17 at 9:22 am to upgrayedd
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Oh, no doubt. That shooting would've been a national story if he was black
yeah, I don't recall BLM, Jessie, Al, or any white SJWs upset over this. WTF?
Posted on 7/14/17 at 9:25 am to upgrayedd
Nah just constantly mocking that one dude on here who thought, as a detective, his word that perps "cooperated" means jack shite in the long run.
Posted on 7/14/17 at 9:29 am to CNB
I don't think he lost his cool at all. You've got to figure that woman saw someone she cared about get shot and she's no longer composed. She probably went down her own rabbit hole and probably never even heard or processed what the cop was saying earlier. The shouting probably jolted her back to the moment if only for a bit.
Now, for the shot... It's likely a 20-30 yard shot, so it's not "great" but I've got no room to compare notes. I try to get a surprise factor with a beep off a timer but I know it does nothing to compare to a true adrenaline dump. I am VERY impressed at the guys professionalism though. I do question the use of a fabric chair as either cover or concealment. It does neither, but that's a very minor quibble.
Now, for the shot... It's likely a 20-30 yard shot, so it's not "great" but I've got no room to compare notes. I try to get a surprise factor with a beep off a timer but I know it does nothing to compare to a true adrenaline dump. I am VERY impressed at the guys professionalism though. I do question the use of a fabric chair as either cover or concealment. It does neither, but that's a very minor quibble.
Posted on 7/14/17 at 9:29 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
Have you ever shot a handgun? Its tough to do at that range when you're shooting stuff that can't shoot back. That guy went from calm and cool to GUN, sprinting 20 yards, with a hysterical woman screaming in his ear, to sending a one shot stop out of a handgun at 20 yards. Definitely a great shot.
Posted on 7/14/17 at 9:35 am to Jobu93
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Now, for the shot... It's likely a 20-30 yard shot, so it's not "great" but I've got no room to compare notes. I try to get a surprise factor with a beep off a timer but I know it does nothing to compare to a true adrenaline dump.
I get a huge adrenaline dump from a timer going off as well. But I know it's coming, so that's a big difference as well. The truth is that it's really hard to recreate an adrenaline dump like that in training. What that guy did was better than most of us could do in that scenario.
Posted on 7/14/17 at 9:48 am to upgrayedd
He really took control of the entire situation. Ordering fellow officers around, immediately moving his attention to securing the house in case someone else came running out then directing guys around the area where the Russian fell. Very well done.
I've got zero qualifications to critique everything but the main thing that stood out to me was when he swapped his pistol for the long rifle he left his door wide open with the pistol just sitting there while the hysterical female was back behind him. I can only assume it went into some type of lockable holster. At least I hope.
As far as taking "cover" behind the lawn chair, I believe he just wanted the gun rest it provided and slight concealment so he isn't just wide open. Idk. I'd be interested to hear an actual policeman's breakdown of the whole thing if we have any here.
I've got zero qualifications to critique everything but the main thing that stood out to me was when he swapped his pistol for the long rifle he left his door wide open with the pistol just sitting there while the hysterical female was back behind him. I can only assume it went into some type of lockable holster. At least I hope.
As far as taking "cover" behind the lawn chair, I believe he just wanted the gun rest it provided and slight concealment so he isn't just wide open. Idk. I'd be interested to hear an actual policeman's breakdown of the whole thing if we have any here.
Posted on 7/14/17 at 9:54 am to upgrayedd
I missed that he left the pistol in his cruiser when he went to his rifle.
Training wise, we do about 20 burpees to get the heart rate up and then someone has the timer going. Still not remotely the same.
I was interested that even in the heat of the moment both he and the guy with the shotgun took the time to use the single point sling. I don't know if I would have done that; I'd probably not even know it was there and just ignore it.
Training wise, we do about 20 burpees to get the heart rate up and then someone has the timer going. Still not remotely the same.
I was interested that even in the heat of the moment both he and the guy with the shotgun took the time to use the single point sling. I don't know if I would have done that; I'd probably not even know it was there and just ignore it.
Posted on 7/14/17 at 9:55 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Gun would have jammed, big hunk of a bullet wouldn't have made it that far, perp would have shot back and killed the officer
The bad guy looked farther than he actually was, but that was still a damn good ways to be pulling off a one shot drop with a damn pistol on a guy that had a rifle. Step one for me would have been hood slide over the cruiser and get the rifle out because I'd know that if I had to depend on that pistol I'd be fricked. It would have taken me 10 shots to hit that dude.
ETA: I think I counted 16 steps from the driveway to the back of the car which is probably about 20 yards running like that for an average dude. That's a long arse shot for that situation. That cop probably has combat experience based off of how calmly he handled it all the way through.
my guess is 80 to 100 feet
Posted on 7/14/17 at 9:56 am to upgrayedd
Why aren't the body cams mounted differently--like helmet cams in the military or lower around the waist? When the officer had his weapon up and pointed at the door, you really couldn't see what he was seeing. Assuming he were to shoot someone coming out of the house, he would not be able to prove that the person had a weapon.
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