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re: If we change gun control, how do we change it?

Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:41 am to
Posted by Breesus
House of the Rising Sun
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:41 am to
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I would initiate firearm training in public schools and make it a mandatory part of the curriculum.


When my dad was a kid they had aweosme programs for kids. Shooting clubs and competitions. I bet if you started a publicized national shooting competition and had schools start endorsing it as an extracurricular, the fanatical SJW would piss and moanmoan like no other
Posted by tylercsbn9
Cypress, TX
Member since Feb 2004
65876 posts
Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:41 am to
Great post on the issue from wwtdd

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Another day, another college shooting. Another cry for gun control by politicians and hashtaggers who have no actual ability to control guns. There will guns widely available in this nation for at least as long as anybody reading this post is alive. You think it’s impossible to deport eleven million illegals? Try rounding up 250 million guns and melting them in the giant furnace the EPA never approves. Just like Mexicans, they will make more guns and they will come back. We have Draconian prohibitions on recreational narcotics. We have tens of thousand of armed officers spending tens of billions of dollars a year to make sure that shite is never seen in this land. How’s that going? But, frick, stand on the dead bodies and call for gun control you know wouldn’t work even if somebody White Outed the Second Amendment.

We can’t outlaw single mothers or dads who abandon their kids in utero or Internet chat room antisocial sickness or fricked up cowardly narcissists who correctly assume that mass murder is their only chance to be splashed all over TV like a Kardashian and are determined to reenact Columbine at the local community college for posthumous 24 hour coverage on cable news. We rightfully assume Al Qaeda and ISIS militants are irrational suicidal types hellbent on destruction and we annihilate them without hesitation from the sky because asking to meet at TGIFridays for unlimited apps and a friendly confab seems moot. We smudge them out like bugs. Yet we can’t accept the fact that we have bugs living among us who look kind of like us and who the neighbors will describe as quiet, but good kids. Americans have PBS and fat-free frozen yogurt universally available. We don’t have young men without fathers descending into madness and mass murderer worships on their blogs and websites and their basement rooms plastered with news clipping on their wall next to the guns and ammo nobody knows they possess because nobody cares.

There’s not a single one of these campus killers who couldn’t be pegged in a basic mental health eval a year before the killings. Say, by any chance, are you suicidally depressed about how life keeps handing you lemons? Have you noticed yourself collecting weapons lately to counter the massive conspiracy against you? Are you an 18-30 year old male with a history of mental illness in your family who never gets laid? Do you have detailed maps of the local learning institutions on your wall circled with squares and circles and the words ‘start the killings here.’ Do you own body armor and can you recite the names of previous mass shooting perpetrators cross indexed by name and date and numbers killed? Not a single one of these guys would ever make it to the gate at an Israeli airport just from visual eye and mannerism inspection. But complex problems require quick and futile solutions. Gun control. Also, more kids need the chance to go to college. We’re running out of targets.
Posted by stinkdawg
Savannah, smoking by the gas cans
Member since Aug 2014
4072 posts
Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:44 am to
This thread reminds me that I need to buy another box of ammo.
Posted by BamaScoop
Panama City Beach, Florida
Member since May 2007
53807 posts
Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:44 am to
I agree with you on what you have said.
Posted by Grim
Member since Dec 2013
12302 posts
Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:48 am to
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tens of thousands of people die in auto accidents annually. We dont criminalize cars nor ban them.

Because cars are essential for our country to function
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How do you explain the vast majority of our 300+ million legally owned guns in private hands are never involved in any sort of mischief or misadventure. You're literally talking about fractions of a percent of these weapons are used in crime or result in accidental deaths.

He was saying he thinks there would be far less crime if everyone had a gun, meaning everyone would be carrying a gun. I'm not sure what percentage of people in America carry a gun regularly but I'd say it's likely less than 5%. And most of these people know how to use them responsibly.
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100% of people that post on message boards with the screen name Grim suck dick for a living.

See...I can make up statistics too.

Stop for a minute and think about every person you've ever met. Probably several irresponsible morons, some people with anger issues, some airhead women. Now imagine all of them carrying a gun all the time. And you don't think it's a reasonable prediction to say there would be a high amount of incidents daily? But hilarious burn as always
Posted by TheAlmightySmash
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2014
5479 posts
Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:49 am to
I bet even you would look snazzy in this bulletproof suit
Posted by OleBallCoach
Member since Nov 2007
989 posts
Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:51 am to
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Posted by rd280z
Richmond
Member since Jan 2007
2301 posts
Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:54 am to
What is the extent of these background checks? Every gun that I have purchased was done so with a state police background check before I could take possession
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89480 posts
Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:55 am to
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Great post on the issue from wwtdd


Is it bad that I read most of that in Dennis Miller's voice?
Posted by GaryMyMan
Shreveport
Member since May 2007
13498 posts
Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:58 am to
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What would you change about gun control?

Make it as difficult to get a handgun as it is to get a suppressor. If you want one, you can get one. It just isn't cheap.
Posted by Superior Pariah
Member since Jun 2009
8457 posts
Posted on 10/2/15 at 11:00 am to
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My opinion is if everyone had a gun there would be a whole lot less crime.


It worked during the Wild West days.
Posted by Barf
EBR
Member since Feb 2015
3727 posts
Posted on 10/2/15 at 11:03 am to
The background check is handled by the FBI. It's not the greatest system in the world but I'm not sure what else people could hope for.

Honestly, I would like to see the NFA thrown out. It's pointless and archaic. The ATF needs to be overhauled. Gun control needs to be turned over to individual states. The only role of the federal government should be insuring the 2nd amendment rights are not violated.

Other than that, there is nothing that can be done. The guns are out there and the owners outnumber law enforcement by a long shot so good luck with a mandatory surrender.
Posted by Barf
EBR
Member since Feb 2015
3727 posts
Posted on 10/2/15 at 11:04 am to
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Make it as difficult to get a handgun as it is to get a suppressor. If you want one, you can get one. It just isn't cheap.


How does this change anything? And what makes you think buying a suppressor through an FFL is difficult?
Posted by Redbone
my castle
Member since Sep 2012
18831 posts
Posted on 10/2/15 at 11:18 am to
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The genie is out of the bottle, no controlling it now. The only option we've got is to develop cheap and fashionable Kevlar.


Very wise of you to say that. There are far too many guns already in the hands of both, the normals and the crazies to develop any legislation that would have any effect on the current state of affairs. Total gun confiscation would have no effect before the next improved method of killing people will be developed.

This nation was taken from us indians with muskets at first. As whitey moved west more efficient guns were being built and the race was on. No controlling the manufacture and sale of guns in the nation.
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
35945 posts
Posted on 10/2/15 at 11:19 am to
In my opinion most of the people doing this don't really care if they die, most probably want and expect to die. What they want is to be known, feared, respected, and revenge for all the mistreatment they feel society has given them.

I don't really think everyone carrying would stop these things from happening, it might prevent the shooters from killing as many. But I think most would just switch to using bombs more.

I would like to see a required psych evaluation for anyone purchasing the more deadly weapons ( and by more deadly I mean the ones that enable you to kill more people in a shorter amount of time) such as semi automatic rifles. But I also don't think this wouldn't prevent them from doing it, but it might prevent some casualties.

Posted by Redbone
my castle
Member since Sep 2012
18831 posts
Posted on 10/2/15 at 11:22 am to
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And what makes you think buying a suppressor through an FFL is difficult?


There are a few hoops to jump through before you can legally purchase one. I checked a few months ago. Then I shot a 9mm with one and wasn't impressed. My subsonic loads are quieter. Maybe subsonic through a silencer ....
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
35945 posts
Posted on 10/2/15 at 11:27 am to
Also, since most of these are performed by young angry kids, a age limit for purchasing some of the more deadly weapons might not be a bad idea.

Anyone know how many of these type shootings were performed by someone over the age of 25?
Posted by slacker130
Your mom
Member since Jul 2010
7987 posts
Posted on 10/2/15 at 11:30 am to
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There's a reason these jerkoffs always target gun free zones...


I don't think the gun free zone signs are big enough, obviously.
Posted by Barf
EBR
Member since Feb 2015
3727 posts
Posted on 10/2/15 at 11:30 am to
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There are a few hoops to jump through before you can legally purchase one. I checked a few months ago. Then I shot a 9mm with one and wasn't impressed. My subsonic loads are quieter. Maybe subsonic through a silencer .


The only hoops are waiting for the registry process which is a joke anyway. The background checks are the same. I'm not sure what hoops you are referring to. The tax stamp and transfer process cost money but not a prohibitive amount.

It's a moot point anyway because there aren't enough crimes committed with NFA items to be statistically significant.
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 10/2/15 at 11:52 am to
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Make it as difficult to get a handgun as it is to get a suppressor. If you want one, you can get one. It just isn't cheap.


When stealing a handgun to commit a crime cost is not much of a obstacle. Criminals by definition are not very concerned that the activity they are involved in is illegal. Your idea will do nothing but reduce the number of law abiding citizens that can obtain a handgun.
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