re: Have you ever done Hallucinogenics? Any Experience in Psychological Treatment?

see i want to try it but i really don't want to go to the jungle...however it's legal if you do it that way

i think there are some places in california that you can do that i'd love to try, but it is illegal

My friend went to a mostly nudist, private beach party in Oahu and did it... i think he ended up banging a chick that night and she gave him the bull head aka the clap...i dont think he feels as spiritual about it as some.

Such BS. It, and the other "documentaries" on Netflix and the web are nothing more than sales or marketing videos by dealers or users trying to justify their use. No different than the "reefer madness" type movies from the opposite side.

The idea one can ingest these chemicals safely is a lie.

Some do, yes, even some on here. But my daughter spent 17 days locked in a behavioral health ward with drug induced psychosis as a result of taking a hallucinogen. She is at risk for it manifesting at any moment for the rest of her life. A friend's sister has been institutionalized for over 20 years with drug-induced psychosis from this poison, and will be there until she dies.

It's just not worth the risk to see the walls melt or phone buttons sing to you. don't normalize or discount the danger of this stuff.

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much of this regulation is based in emotional-irrational fears based in religion and social histories, with the remainder being committed out of political dealmaking. it's just an obscene use of personal opinions and selfish power-grabs,

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Pretty much this.

Ironically, hallucinogens / entheogens were traditionally administered by the priests of many cultures (and still are, in cases like ayahuasca), but the priest class here lobbies hard against it.

Joseph Campbell, in The Power of Myth, alludes to the therapeutic value of drug use in this controlled context. Very roughly paraphrasing here, but he states that people would approach the priests with problems; the priests would administer certain drugs in the course of rituals; the recipient-- under the influence of the drug-- experienced a deconstruction of reality, which provided novel points of view regarding their issues, allowing new contexts for problem solving and resolution. This is, imo, akin to the more poetic parlance some people say when suggesting that they let the intelligence of the plant guide them, but I think Campbell's description of the process (problem/rut >>> entheogenically driven deconstruction of reality >>> novel solutions) provides a more socially palatable framework for responsible drug use.

The problems that such drugs would help tend to have strong mental & emotional components: PTSD, addictions, etc. It makes sense that the ability to shake up perceptions of reality and forge different connections might enhance the ability to break negative or inhibiting patterns. I skimmed the article you posted. The vets the author writes about fit that mold and are in line with Campbell's description. They were stuck in a rut of being unable to healthily process some awful events that impacted their mental & emotional processes... the drugs helped them process these events in a novel way... they came out feeling some measure of relief.

I think Timothy Leary and his crew had good intentions. Regrettably, their "turn on, tune in & drop out" message was kind of irresponsible, and that so many kids did was alarming. So, it's not too surprising that hallucinogens were buried to the extent they have been, and Leary & friends deserve some of the blame due to their irresponsible zeal... that, and anecdotal evidence of recreational users being stupid about doses or not having a good sitter to keep them from hurting themselves... in other words... This is why we can't have nice things!!!

Regrettably, entheogens that have potential benefits also have to overcome the stigma of other hard drugs that are more generally corrosive: coke, heroin, meth, etc. These kind of drugs tend to accelerate a feeling or sensation of awesomeness. But you never hear about a heroin or meth user coming back from the high transformed in a positive way and a new outlook (I've never heard of it, anyway.) What you do hear is that users become seduced by the power of the awesome high feeling and they just want to escape again. Ayahuasca, LSD, and others don't do that. Aside from outlier dumbasses, the worst case (again, imo) is that people have bad trips as a result that they have control issues or a deep seated trauma that wants to emerge. Ironically, these are the things such drugs have the potential to help them with. However, it's less than ideal when experienced in a social setting. But with a doctor or priest/shaman/healer type, these people could turn a bad trip into a good, cathartic experience.

Apologies for the scattered thoughts in this post. I'm running short on time, so don't have time to tie things up neatly, but in short... I'm pro-hallunicogens. Some are really strong, though, and beyond a willingness to open yourself to the experience, for therapeutic value, you really should have some sort of empathetic guide-- whether religious or secular.

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Slow day at the office I take it?

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i made this thread at 5:22 p.m. on a holiday

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Such BS. It, and the other "documentaries" on Netflix and the web are nothing more than sales or marketing videos by dealers or users trying to justify their use. No different than the "reefer madness" type movies from the opposite side.

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the documentary is about a medical study

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The idea one can ingest these chemicals safely is a lie.

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we don't know, because the government doesn't let science find out

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But my daughter spent 17 days locked in a behavioral health ward with drug induced psychosis as a result of taking a hallucinogen. She is at risk for it manifesting at any moment for the rest of her life. A friend's sister has been institutionalized for over 20 years with drug-induced psychosis from this poison, and will be there until she dies.

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sounds like they got bad stuff, which, again, is due to governmental prohibition

when was the last time you heard of somebody going blind b/c they drank bad alcohol?

All BS aside, please show me one person who achieved great things because of the use of hallucinogens. Not just "recreational" use or from time-to-time, but someone who regularly ingested hallucinogens and that use resulted in something positive being visited on the world.

The reference above to "it's not worth the risk" is dead on. yes, some hallucinogens are naturally occuring. So is the gympie-gympie tree, hemlock, and even f'ing oleander. Sure the trip might be great, however you define that, but why does that trump the risk of burdening your loved ones with having to deal with YOUR drug-induced psychosis?

People go blind from drinking bad alcohol all the time. Look up the moonshiners drinking the top of a batch, it happens every day.

I'll admit I'm really bothered by the normalization of the use of hallucinogens due to what I've seen first-hand. Had it not entered my life I wouldn't give a shite. But so what? you're playing russian roulette with it. So why do it?

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Any Experience in Psychological Treatment?

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No

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Have you ever done Hallucinogenics?

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psilocybin mushrooms
LSD
4-ho-met
2c-e
2c-b
peyote/mescaline
salvia divinorum
MDMA

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Any Experience in Psychological Treatment?

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No

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government gets to regulate science. much of this regulation is based in emotional-irrational fears based in religion and social histories

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it's just an obscene use of personal opinions and selfish power-grabs, especially since we may be making people suffer that could be treated

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I'm shocked.