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Have you ever done Hallucinogenics? Any Experience in Psychological Treatment?
Posted on 1/18/16 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 1/18/16 at 5:22 pm
There is a growing thought that hallucinogens may be a great way to deal with psychological problems. I've read a lot of articles (admittedly likely written by white people with dreadlocks) with anecdote after anecdote about the restorative qualities of these treatments for persons suffering with psychological trauma (namely PTSD).
Here is a Huffpo article that touches a lot of the angles
the one thing these stories do to me is make me mad that out government gets to regulate science. much of this regulation is based in emotional-irrational fears based in religion and social histories, with the remainder being committed out of political dealmaking. it's just an obscene use of personal opinions and selfish power-grabs, especially since we may be making people suffer that could be treated
Here is a Huffpo article that touches a lot of the angles
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My motivations to attend were mixed. While editing our books Ayahuasca y Salud ([Ayahuasca and Health], Los Libros de La Liebre de Marzo, 2013) and The Therapeutic Use of Ayahuasca (Springer, 2014), I had come across many reports on the therapeutic potentials of ayahuasca, but the evidence was always limited, and debatable. I felt that somehow the current glorification of the therapeutic potentials of ayahuasca was a direct result of the process of demonization of hallucinogens. Because mainstream society tends to discredit these experiences so much, a quasi-apologetic counter-discourse on their benefits popped all over the place.
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So I started to research a little on the topic. There has been an emergence of many research trends using marijuana, MDMA, and ayahuasca to treat veterans with PTSD. One fundraising campaign stated: "Don't we owe them? These soldiers were wounded while they were protecting us." I did not like this approach, which seemed to use the same kind of patriotic rhetoric and uncritical thinking that leads to wars in the first place. This was at the root of my dislike for the US when I was a teenager. To me, veterans deserve as good treatment as any human being who is wounded. If anything, they frequently are victims of the war machine and those who profit from wars.
A fundraising video promotes the story of a war veteran to advertise a specific retreat center. So, if ayahuasca can help heal traumas, does this means that we should fabricate a "need" for ayahuasca, try to sell retreats to people in general, and turn the brew into any kind of commodity? Another question: should we try to treat veterans so that they can go back to war? And what about offering treatment to soldiers on duty?
the one thing these stories do to me is make me mad that out government gets to regulate science. much of this regulation is based in emotional-irrational fears based in religion and social histories, with the remainder being committed out of political dealmaking. it's just an obscene use of personal opinions and selfish power-grabs, especially since we may be making people suffer that could be treated
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Posted on 1/18/16 at 5:24 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Have you ever done Hallucinogenics?
yes
quote:
Any Experience in Psychological Treatment?
no
I've eaten a bunch of mushrooms and smiled and giggled until my cheeks hurt and watched the walls melt though
Posted on 1/18/16 at 5:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
Good luck getting a double blind placebo control study approved for this. 
Posted on 1/18/16 at 5:27 pm to PsychTiger
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Good luck getting a double blind placebo control study approved for this.
well it would basically be illegal
and if you could get it approved to where it wouldn't be criminal, the stigma would hurt things
it's an arse-backwards approach
Posted on 1/18/16 at 5:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
Tell me how you make illegal
Something that we all make in our brain
Some say you might go crazy
But then again it might make you go sane
Marijuana, LSD, psilocybin, and DMT
They all changed the way I see
But love's the only thing that ever saved my life
-Sturgill Simpson
Something that we all make in our brain
Some say you might go crazy
But then again it might make you go sane
Marijuana, LSD, psilocybin, and DMT
They all changed the way I see
But love's the only thing that ever saved my life
-Sturgill Simpson
Posted on 1/18/16 at 5:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
Not once.
Posted on 1/18/16 at 5:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
LSD and peyote force you to drastically rethink your notions of reality. Visual, sensory and intellectual experiences that a non-user dismisses as chemically manufactured, are understood by the user as insights into the true and limitless dimensions of reality.
Besides that, seeing shite like your parents' heads morph into iguanas is just fricking cool.
Ah, 1966, where did you go ....
Besides that, seeing shite like your parents' heads morph into iguanas is just fricking cool.
Ah, 1966, where did you go ....
Posted on 1/18/16 at 5:43 pm to HempHead
Posted on 1/18/16 at 5:55 pm to Mars duMorgue
quote:
LSD and peyote force you to drastically rethink your notions of reality. Visual, sensory and intellectual experiences that a non-user dismisses as chemically manufactured, are understood by the user as insights into the true and limitless dimensions of reality.
Besides that, seeing shite like your parents' heads morph into iguanas is just fricking cool.
Ah, 1966, where did you go ....
The late 70s and early 80s were pretty fricking cool too.
Blotter and sugar cube. Where did you go?
Posted on 1/18/16 at 5:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
Another golf thread got the axe. So I just want to post here that golf sucks and if you're out wasting thousands on crap called "Ping" then you are a loser.
Posted on 1/18/16 at 5:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
I took MDMA and went to the therapist. it was pretty fricking cool experience. I felt like it was 3-4 sessions in 90 mins. But not like the years I had heard.
I am going to try it on mushrooms once.
eta: I regularly take hallucinogens. Maybe once every 3 or 4 months, although I did LSD, and shrooms twice in the span of 6 weeks in the fall.
I am going to try it on mushrooms once.
eta: I regularly take hallucinogens. Maybe once every 3 or 4 months, although I did LSD, and shrooms twice in the span of 6 weeks in the fall.
This post was edited on 1/18/16 at 6:00 pm
Posted on 1/18/16 at 5:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
I've done mushrooms and hated every second of it.
Posted on 1/18/16 at 5:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
I have done acid and mushrooms in my younger years. Acid=fun.Shrooms,not so much fun.
Posted on 1/18/16 at 6:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
Good luck getting this past the fundies and LEO unions.
Posted on 1/18/16 at 6:03 pm to Rickety Cricket
I really would like to see a taped therapy session with SFP on Acid talking to a therapist. I think that would be some solid entertainment.
Posted on 1/18/16 at 6:07 pm to Hawkeye95
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talking to a therapist.
I used to sell acid to my therapist. He later became one of the Bay Area's biggest coke dealers in the mid-70's, one of the pioneers in the therapist/dealer profession.
Posted on 1/18/16 at 6:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
Hallucinogens and psychiatric treatment are contraindicated.
Posted on 1/18/16 at 6:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/18/16 at 6:24 pm to makinskrilla
When I did Mushrooms, I thought I'd never come down. I liked it, though, and just accepted the fact (at the time and under the drug's heaviness) that this was life and everything that "normal people" saw was opposite from me. I saw faces melt and people turn into blueberries. The part that was the best was going to Wal-Mart and people watch. That is a helluva rush. Then, I watched the buttons on my car phone sing Jane's Addiction "Up the Beach" in perfect unison -- the nine button going the extra mile with a dance. I did mushrooms about 4 times. Every time was different, but at the same time similar. I had the 'shroom tea (never ate a cap) and within 20 minutes, the rooms close in and the lights intensify and the rest, as they say, is history.
Posted on 1/18/16 at 6:26 pm to Hawkeye95
i suggest you do it without me knowing, b/c i'd frick it up if i knew it was coming
that reminds me of the 50s housewife on acid video
that reminds me of the 50s housewife on acid video
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