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re: Founder of Jimmy Johns is a big game hunter. ( people upset)

Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:00 am to
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:00 am to
I didn't know you correct the record guys posted on the OT
Posted by Blue Velvet
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:01 am to
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There is never an excuse for killing endangered animal species.
Even if the excuse is that legalized hunting is the most efficient way to promote the species?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:01 am to
people don't like surface paradoxes
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:03 am to
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Even if the excuse is that legalized hunting is the most efficient way to promote the species?




yes. you see how badass the deer are in those professionally managed deer farming operations? Put up a big fence and hire some of those guys to manage the elephant/rhino/etc herds and allow guided hunts and watch how the herds repopulate

the problem is there is no wildlife management out there and all you hippies that pour red paint on people trying to kill a game animal to feed there families
Posted by Blue Velvet
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:09 am to
Posted by 632627
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:09 am to
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he easily drops more than a quarter million dollars on a single trophy hunt


How many people do you think this feeds? tens of thousands probably.


do you think he does it because he wants to feed poor people? or he gets his kicks killing animals?
Posted by Fratigerguy
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:11 am to
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Hell at least deer aren't close to being extinct even though you can't even eat them they are so full of steroids (the high fence ones).





Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:14 am to
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“Up until 2008, we had no rhinos being poached in South Africa because demand was being supplied by legal sales from live rhino. Then they banned that trade and those sales were mirrored by rhino poaching deaths in Kruger National Park.”


hmmmm
Posted by UPT
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:15 am to
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That first burn significantly contributed to the decision months later by the body that manages the global wildlife trade, the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora (CITES), to ban all international trade of ivory. Under that reprieve, elephant populations slowly recovered. The protection was undermined, however, in 1997 and 2000 when Botswana, Namibia, South Africa, and Zimbabwe lowered the status of their country’s elephant populations under CITES, enabling limited ivory sales to Japan in 1999 and to Japan and China in 2008.

Proponents continue to argue that flooding the market with legally sourced ivory or rhino horn would curtail poaching pressure on animals while providing funds for conservation, but with the one-off ivory sales, ivory demand surged, and poaching intensified. In 2008, for example, Kenya lost 116 elephants, whereas in 2009, following the 2008 ivory sale, that number more than doubled, to 267. “Some people had this simplistic view that when they dumped ivory into China, it would depress prices and drive criminals out of business,” Kahumbu says. “But that’s not what happened: It triggered interest and caused the price to rise.”


Posted by UPT
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:19 am to
Do you believe that there is a sustainable supply for the asian demand for Ivory and Rhino horn?

Even close?
Posted by 632627
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:22 am to
serious question:

the big game hunters (and their defenders) always say that the money they spend on the hunts goes towards saving the species; killing one saves 2, etc.

If they (big game hunters) are really that concerned with saving the species, why not just donate the money instead?
Posted by fr33manator
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:23 am to
So burning a product is going to stop it's trade?


Kind of like when they raid drug stocks and destroy them it stops the drug trade, right?


All that ivory could have done more good being sold at auction than was done by burning it.

That's that famous thinking that has made Africa the most successful continent on the planet.

We wuz kangs and all that.
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:25 am to
I heard the reason the chinese turned to rhino horns for medicine is because they had a communist single payer healthcare system and you had to wait months to see a doctor
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:28 am to
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If they (big game hunters) are really that concerned with saving the species, why not just donate the money instead?




I get emails all the time about donating money to africa but it's usually the princes and not the elephants sending them
Posted by UPT
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:33 am to
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Kind of like when they raid drug stocks and destroy them it stops the drug trade, right?



No, nothing like that at all actually.

There's an infinite supply of blow in South America.

Elephants, Lions, and Rhino populations are in the thousands.

quote:

All that ivory could have done more good being sold at auction than was done by burning it.



I guess, to fund corrupt African governments and line their leaders pockets, all while perpetuating a market of an unsustainable product.

quote:

That's that famous thinking that has made Africa the most successful continent on the planet.



No, in the past the president would have seized the ivory, sold it to china, and built a mansion.
Posted by BugaPainTrain7
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:38 am to
I'm all for hunting but you should never kill wild animals like this, and aren't elephants endangered anyway? Humans are shitty people, we honestly ruin everything beautiful about our planet.
Posted by AlonsoWDC
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:50 am to
Whole buncha stupid ITT.
Posted by Tigerfan97
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:58 am to
I was getting tired of Jimmy Johns anyway. Fat frick. What a waste.
Posted by BigOrangeBri
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:14 am to
Unfortunately, many times the money paid by the hunters are the majority of the funds they have to protect massive amounts of habitat. I don't like it, but if a few have to die to protect the majority, then I'm for it.
Posted by stlslick
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 4:13 am to


sjw's and the likes went after his company about a year ago for this.

poaching animals because u have money is a dick move, but this doesnt move my needle enough to care

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