re: First Indigenous SI Model

I want to play Cowboys and Indians with her!!!

Since that my great grand mother was black and from South Africa, i truly wish people would refer to me as African American

More like Ashley Showingcrack.

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The term indigenous is a little silly. None of us are indigenous to this continent. We’re an invasive species. Just call her what tribe she is, but they need to virtue signal with a silly term.

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I remember when I was in elementary school in the 60s it was stressed constantly that those he then called American Indians migrated to this continent across the Berring Straight starting about a thousand or so years before 1492 and migrating all the way down to the southern tip of South America. If this is true, which I think it largely is, then what does it matter who was here first? Fact is the American continent was truly less than a barbaric backwater until the white European came. If we had not arrived the continent would have been much the same as it was before he came, and that's a fact.

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We can’t conclusively know what happened. But here are the facts

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You are missing several key facts. Firstly that the land bridge was open around 30 kya doesn't mean any and all paths were open to dispersal groups. The Cordilleran and Laurentide ice sheets blocked passage south, and that the traditional notion of a corridor that sinewed east of the Rockies has been challenged by geographic evidence. It's likely that an ice-free route developed along the Pacific coast around 15 kya (these numbers are from memory so they might be off). What I mean here is that subsequent dispersals were defined by the geography they encountered, and not necessarily the groups they encountered. Indeed, the linguistic patterns we have suggest a far greater degree of diffusion of populations than one would see in situations where there was direct displacement of these groups. Like I said earlier, the dispersal pattern was nodal.

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This was shaken up in the past 20 years from this discovery of artifacts produced in a distinct style dated at minimum a 1000 years before Clovis. A culture that took so long to discover because all evidence of production with that style suddenly disappeared.

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This doesn't suggest anything. There are other orphan groups in the DNA data as well. We can't say for certain that it was definitely 'war and displacement,' and also, no where did I say that it didn't occur. What we need is the population demographics, which some teams around the world are trying to do with runs of homozygousity, from which we can possibly infer something about the populations at large. The scale of complete displacement implies a degree of organization that I haven't seen evidence for at this time, certainly not enough to say that this pre-Clovis people represented some entirely different entity from a basal American lineage.

The things we can turn an Indian boob thread into. OT gonna OT.

A debate has to start about something peripheral.

Somebody always zooms in real close and finds something.

Few baws check the toes and a few look for other toes.

Nips seem to be universally loved.

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Which has zero to do with the topic at hand.

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Read what I was responding to.

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Read what I was responding to.

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You know damn well they were just using it as a Woke euphemism

All this text hurts my geodesic dome.

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You are missing several key facts. Firstly that the land bridge was open around 30 kya doesn't mean any and all paths were open to dispersal groups. The Cordilleran and Laurentide ice sheets blocked passage south, and that the traditional notion of a corridor that sinewed east of the Rockies has been challenged by geographic evidence. It's likely that an ice-free route developed along the Pacific coast around 15 kya (these numbers are from memory so they might be off). What I mean here is that subsequent dispersals were defined by the geography they encountered, and not necessarily the groups they encountered. Indeed, the linguistic patterns we have suggest a far greater degree of diffusion of populations than one would see in situations where there was direct displacement of these groups. Like I said earlier, the dispersal pattern was nodal.

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This doesn't suggest anything. There are other orphan groups in the DNA data as well. We can't say for certain that it was definitely 'war and displacement,' and also, no where did I say that it didn't occur. What we need is the population demographics, which some teams around the world are trying to do with runs of homozygousity, from which we can possibly infer something about the populations at large. The scale of complete displacement implies a degree of organization that I haven't seen evidence for at this time, certainly not enough to say that this pre-Clovis people represented some entirely different entity from a basal American lineage.

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She looks just like every women I see on the rez.

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My wife (no pics) is NA from a tribe in SELA …she and her sisters are FAF