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Posted on 4/9/14 at 9:47 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
oic. figured our elite group of lsu engineering students would have given their thoughts on this matter.
i guess if it were a hardest major or highest paying degree thread, they would be all in here like a pack of hyenas
i guess if it were a hardest major or highest paying degree thread, they would be all in here like a pack of hyenas
Posted on 4/9/14 at 9:47 pm to FootballNostradamus
Engineers not so much, but people in construction tend to be the dregs of society who don't live one welfare. Roofers and drywallers are the worst of them. They'll leave piss buckets on the roof and just piss between the walls when they can get away with it. There's a purpose for them, but these two type of people are absolute shite stains on average. Seriously, ask a legit smite contractor on which people he likes dealing with the least, and I'd be shocked if he didn't say a roofer or a drywaller.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 9:48 pm to Jones
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i guess if it were a hardest major or highest paying degree thread, they would be all in here like a pack of hyenas
I've been F5ing it all day
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:16 pm to TunaTime
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Would you consider construction managers "in between" engineers and guys in the field? From my little experience it seems as if that is the case. They seem to be able to relate to both the field workers and the office engineers/designers
that would be way better , that way they can see the plans from the build side of construction....
just being in the field working for a year wouldn't be much help because they would be limited to that specific job .....
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:23 pm to FootballNostradamus
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You gotta have a handle on pretty much everything to be a PM. Those dudes know their shite. Any good PM will have a good balance of field, design, cost, and schedule mindset.
wrong , wrong.... I get along with just about any engineer , project managers not so much ....
to make it short , most of them have no fricking clue on how shite works out in the field , but they think they know it all....
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:31 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:Still mad about the cabinets?
Just a bunch of us UNO tools
Posted on 4/9/14 at 11:23 pm to tigerswin03
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wrong , wrong.... I get along with just about any engineer , project managers not so much ....
to make it short , most of them have no fricking clue on how shite works out in the field , but they think they know it all....
Honestly, I was expecting more people to have this kind of opinion about them. I guess it depends a lot on the particular PM that is working on the job.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 11:47 pm to TunaTime
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I was just wondering if people thought PM's were dumbasses too like the engineers. Or if they are more "respected" by the field guys.
I was told by an old timer that the first thing that an engineer does when getting PM, is get castrated. They essentially become "yes" men to their supervisors and clients. There is no such thing as "that wont work" or "we cant do it in that time frame" to a PM. they say yes and then push their guys to get it done. Thats Managing 101. Its the nature of the beast that some PMs write checks that their guys cant cash. In my experience, most of the time its the client and their expectations/experience/etc that makes a PM look bad. Good clients know that when engineering is pushed, the field catches hell.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 12:26 am to AutoYes_Clown
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I was told by an old timer that the first thing that an engineer does when getting PM, is get castrated. They essentially become "yes" men to their supervisors and clients. There is no such thing as "that wont work" or "we cant do it in that time frame" to a PM. they say yes and then push their guys to get it done. Thats Managing 101. Its the nature of the beast that some PMs write checks that their guys cant cash. In my experience, most of the time its the client and their expectations/experience/etc that makes a PM look bad. Good clients know that when engineering is pushed, the field catches hell.
This is correct to an extent, but I've also had some PM's who would go to bat for you like General Patton.
Also depends a lot on whether it's a hard money or reimbursable job. If it's a reimbursable job and they ask him to take a steamer on your chest he's gonna say ok and send them a bill.
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