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re: Engineers/Construction Workers?
Posted on 4/9/14 at 8:17 pm to bencoleman
Posted on 4/9/14 at 8:17 pm to bencoleman
My only point is you have to expect new engineers to make those kinds of mistakes. It's part of being a new engineer. I just don't understand why you and others talk about y'all's decades of experience and then seem shocked new hires don't know as much as you.
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Posted on 4/9/14 at 8:21 pm to bencoleman
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No but just a little common sense would help, such as not designing something where #11 rebar had to occupy the same space as five ft anchor bolts, or maybe the seawall in the lower ninth ward having to be redesigned on the fly by a dumbass field engineer while racing against the clock due to unworkable plans. I am not picking on new engineers its just the way it is. Show a little humility and I promise the help is there.
We're currently setting and welding a PAR run of about a kilometer in length with 3 spool levels. Someone decided to cram the levels so tight that we have to build external scaffolding to weld each level. If they'd just bumped each level up a foot we could have run scaffold boards off the existing structure. Instead we got meathead scaffies spending hundreds of hours a week throwing boards and tubes around.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 8:21 pm to LNCHBOX
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My only point is you have to expect new engineers to make those kinds of mistakes. It's part of being a new engineer. I just don't understand why you and others talk about y'all's decades of experience and then seem shocked new hires don't know as much as you
That's why I have said it now for the third time that engineers should have to have a year of field experience, in the field not in the job trailer, getting their hands dirty and that problem for the most part would go away.
I am going to bed now I have to get up at four and I am extremely old.
This post was edited on 4/9/14 at 8:27 pm
Posted on 4/9/14 at 8:25 pm to bencoleman
I heard you the first two times. A year of field work will not solve the problem you are complaining about.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 8:27 pm to bencoleman
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that problem for the most part would go away.
No it wouldn't. Everybody makes dumb mistakes.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 8:31 pm to LNCHBOX
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I heard you the first two times. A year of field work will not solve the problem you are complaining about
Why yes, yes it would. It would unequivocally solve it. Have them spend a year setting anchor bolts and making sure they have clearance on the rebar and I bet you they will come away from the experience with an idea of what works and what doesn't. Now again I am going to bed, good nite all.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 8:34 pm to FootballNostradamus
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Thank God my dad taught me how to do 95% of the things I know how to do
it's a different time...kids these days are lazy, entitled, mouthy pricks who have been handed everything and haven't had to do much for it.
I'm sure a lot of those parents who are bringing these kids up today are on this board. Good job people!
Posted on 4/9/14 at 8:35 pm to bencoleman
Would you consider construction managers "in between" engineers and guys in the field? From my little experience it seems as if that is the case. They seem to be able to relate to both the field workers and the office engineers/designers.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 8:37 pm to LSUintheNW
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kids these days are lazy, entitled, mouthy pricks who have been handed everything and haven't had to do much for it
There are plenty of students busting arse on the job and at school to make ends meet and better themselves professionally at the same time. Go check out a senior design shop and you'll be surprised how many can do some good design and fab work.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 8:40 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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There are plenty
I'm sure there are some. Not all these parents grew up with a silver spoon in their mouth and don't want their kids to have that attitude....but yeah, I did say every damn kid is this way.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 8:40 pm to TunaTime
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Would you consider construction managers "in between" engineers and guys in the field? From my little experience it seems as if that is the case. They seem to be able to relate to both the field workers and the office engineers/designers.
How else would projects get built?
Posted on 4/9/14 at 8:45 pm to bencoleman
I just don't think it's that easy, and apparently industry agrees with me. A year isn't going to solve decades worth of issues.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 8:47 pm to HardHat
I was just wondering if people thought PM's were dumbasses too like the engineers. Or if they are more "respected" by the field guys.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 8:47 pm to LSUintheNW
There's a ton who get a degree and never know lefty loosey and have never had anything more than a grab arse student job. I'm not sure why companies hire them if that's an issue though.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 8:49 pm to TunaTime
this thread is starting to go round and round
Posted on 4/9/14 at 8:57 pm to TunaTime
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I was just wondering if people thought PM's were dumbasses too like the engineers. Or if they are more "respected" by the field guys
Every PM I worked for I've had respect for. So in my case, yes they are respected.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 9:00 pm to TunaTime
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I was just wondering if people thought PM's were dumbasses too like the engineers. Or if they are more "respected" by the field guys.
PMs have everyones respect bro. It's a tough job that is directly related to the success of the project
This post was edited on 4/9/14 at 9:01 pm
Posted on 4/9/14 at 9:20 pm to TunaTime
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I was just wondering if people thought PM's were dumbasses too like the engineers. Or if they are more "respected" by the field guys.
You gotta have a handle on pretty much everything to be a PM. Those dudes know their shite. Any good PM will have a good balance of field, design, cost, and schedule mindset.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 9:29 pm to FootballNostradamus
All about the people skills
Posted on 4/9/14 at 9:42 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
have any of the lsu engineering students chimed in on this thread?
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