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re: Elon Musk outlines his master plan 2.0
Posted on 7/23/16 at 11:40 pm to bmy
Posted on 7/23/16 at 11:40 pm to bmy
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Humans + Humans = dangerous
Humans + Automated = less dangerous
All automated = negligible danger
How do you know? There aren't even close to enough automated vehicles out there to measure this. You're just assuming based on very very very small scale testing.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but its not founded to say what you claim is true beyond reasonable doubt.
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Posted on 7/23/16 at 11:41 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Why isn't Tesla on that list? Why doesn't Elon Musk want to be on that list? What's he doing with his vehicles that he can't make them affordable to the average American?
The model 3 will start around 35k.
Posted on 7/23/16 at 11:54 pm to bmy
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The 'out of the box' comment may not apply.. because the software behind these automated vehicles actually learns.
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, it watches how humans drive successfully to plot the ideal course of the road (best fit line based over thousands of trials).
Humans drive in many many many different ways, and one person may drive different ways at different times. I'm not AGAINST this, by any means, but why do people act like its flawless and unbelievable? Can anyone admit the good and the bad of these things or does everything have to be extreme to one side or the other?
I see the benefit, I swear I do, just don't underestimate the complexity of the human beings, and how very many humans there are, and how they adjust to changes.
Yeah, the technology might predict human driving, but what happens when the humans driving changes relative to the automated driving? Let's say the automated car adapts to the human drivers, and begins to function under those adaptations based on what errors humans currently make, now what if the human drivers begin to then adapt to the automated vehicle? Then the humans will make new errors amongst the new information...almost rendering the old information obsolete.
You cannot expect to put these vehicles all over the road, and expect everything to remain the same as it was before the automated vehicles in terms of driving behavior.
What if an automated vehicle is traveling in traffic and it can't maneuver out of the way? Or instead it maneuvers into another vehicle and hurts someone else in addition to the passenger in the car?
This post was edited on 7/23/16 at 11:57 pm
Posted on 7/23/16 at 11:55 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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The model 3 will start around 35k.
Is it out yet? What took Tesla so long?
Posted on 7/23/16 at 11:56 pm to tiggerthetooth
Economies of scale
Posted on 7/23/16 at 11:58 pm to tiggerthetooth
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The model 3 will start around 35k.
Is it out yet? What took Tesla so long?
Building factories, mainly the Gigafactory where it will build it's batteries.
Tesla vehicles far outrange the others listed above.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 9:27 am to tiggerthetooth
quote:In fairness his auto pilot is considered already safer now than manually driving.
For instance, automated driving, why can't he just get the electric car ball rolling and then move on to his automated driving idea?
quote:He isn't trying to be on that list.
Why isn't Tesla on that list?
Posted on 7/24/16 at 9:30 am to tiggerthetooth
quote:Then people get hurt. But it's still likely that automated vehicles will be safer than not.
What if an automated vehicle is traveling in traffic and it can't maneuver out of the way? Or instead it maneuvers into another vehicle and hurts someone else in addition to the passenger in the car?
Posted on 7/24/16 at 9:30 am to shel311
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In fairness his auto pilot is considered already safer now than manually driving
Considered safer? How? What's the proof. Is this coming from them or someone with no ties to Tesla?
Posted on 7/24/16 at 9:41 am to tiggerthetooth
Fewer fatalities per million miles than the national average.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 10:40 am to LSUlunatic
quote:That.
Fewer fatalities per million miles than the national average.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 10:44 am to LakeViewLSU
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Thank God people like Elon Musk are leading the charge into the future. If some of the OT were in charge we'd still be riding around on horses and using DC power in our homes.
See poster above .
No. But driverless tractor trailers will have a huge impact on the economy in a negative trend, at first. Truck driving is the #1 job in the majority of the states, if those jobs start to disappear then we as an economy are in trouble. It is already proven that trickle down is a lie, when well-paying middle-class jobs hive way to technology, how does wealth move?
But I'm sure Simply Donnie and his followers will blame that on Mexicans also.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 10:52 am to bmy
Holy crap, the part about clicking a button and your car making money for you
Posted on 7/24/16 at 10:57 am to CaptainBrannigan
It creates a structural talent gap for those lost jobs. Likely takes a generation to sort it out.
Still s best case scenario for the world.
Still s best case scenario for the world.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 12:38 pm to tiggerthetooth
Do me a favor. Look at those same stats on affordability, and then crunch two more stats for me.
1.) Rank the age of companies since their first production vehicle was sold until now, in order from newest to oldest.
2.) How many of those companies listed on the page have never sold a combustible engine car.
If you can't run those numbers and then answer you're own question, I suggest ejecting from the thread. You either have an agenda or are galacticlly dumb. Either option means your contribution to the thread is actually regressive and won't take us anywhere.
My guess: You work in petrochemical, car sales, or an industry that is related which would be disrupted in a huge way with respect to Musk's vision for EV's.
1.) Rank the age of companies since their first production vehicle was sold until now, in order from newest to oldest.
2.) How many of those companies listed on the page have never sold a combustible engine car.
If you can't run those numbers and then answer you're own question, I suggest ejecting from the thread. You either have an agenda or are galacticlly dumb. Either option means your contribution to the thread is actually regressive and won't take us anywhere.
My guess: You work in petrochemical, car sales, or an industry that is related which would be disrupted in a huge way with respect to Musk's vision for EV's.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 2:01 pm to tiggerthetooth
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How do you know? There aren't even close to enough automated vehicles out there to measure this. You're just assuming based on very very very small scale testing.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but its not founded to say what you claim is true beyond reasonable doubt.
100,000+ automated vehicles isn't enough to test this?
it's pretty simple.. human traffic accidents are largely caused by people being drowsy, drunk, or distracted. computers don't suffer from any of those.
very few traffic accidents are caused by attentive humans
Posted on 7/24/16 at 2:34 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Yeah, the technology might predict human driving, but what happens when the humans driving changes relative to the automated driving? Let's say the automated car adapts to the human drivers, and begins to function under those adaptations based on what errors humans currently make, now what if the human drivers begin to then adapt to the automated vehicle? Then the humans will make new errors amongst the new information...almost rendering the old information obsolete.
You cannot expect to put these vehicles all over the road, and expect everything to remain the same as it was before the automated vehicles in terms of driving behavior.
What if an automated vehicle is traveling in traffic and it can't maneuver out of the way? Or instead it maneuvers into another vehicle and hurts someone else in addition to the passenger in the car?
It doesn't predict human driving.. that would be needlessly complex. Autonomous driving can be broken down into relatively simple tasks.
The basic concepts of driving:
1) Stay a safe distance (within stopping distance) from the car (or object) in front of you.
2) Stay a safe distance from vehicles to your left and right.
3) Stay inside your 'lane' and follow the path of the roadway.
Those are all tasks that are very well suited to automation. The software can respond to any stimulus faster than a human.
Fantastic example of an autonomous vehicle handling a tricky situation
This post was edited on 7/24/16 at 2:35 pm
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