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re: Does anything supernatural exist?
Posted on 12/22/15 at 6:06 pm to The First Cut
Posted on 12/22/15 at 6:06 pm to The First Cut
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The scientific process requires developing a hypothesis and testing that hypothesis - which you clearly cannot do with the supernatural.
The Learning Channel would disagree.
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Posted on 12/22/15 at 6:07 pm to Slippy
black holes are real and that shite cray
Posted on 12/22/15 at 6:13 pm to The First Cut
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Science can neither prove nor disprove the supernatural. The scientific process requires developing a hypothesis and testing that hypothesis - which you clearly cannot do with the supernatural. Science does not preclude the supernatural and the supernatural does not preclude science. They are two entirely separate entities.
Why do you insist on establishing "the supernatural" as an understood yet untouchable entity? Why would science not be able to study something that is "witnessed" by so many people?
By saying that science and the "supernatural" are separate and one cannot study the other, you are passively avoiding the deserved scrutiny that comes with claiming something exists for which you cannot see and just defaulting to "one can't study the other..the end"
I am not saying that science has figured it all out..but there is absolutely no rationale behind saying that just because science hasn't figured EVERYTHING out, then the claim for the supernatural is any more valid.
This post was edited on 12/22/15 at 6:15 pm
Posted on 12/22/15 at 6:20 pm to Mullet Flap
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Science can neither prove nor disprove the supernatural. The scientific process requires developing a hypothesis and testing that hypothesis - which you clearly cannot do with the supernatural. Science does not preclude the supernatural and the supernatural does not preclude science. They are two entirely separate entities.
Why do you insist on establishing "the supernatural" as an understood yet untouchable entity? Why would science not be able to study something that is "witnessed" by so many people?
By saying that science and the "supernatural" are separate and one cannot study the other, you are passively avoiding the deserved scrutiny that comes with claiming something exists for which you cannot see and just defaulting to "one can't study the other..the end"
I am not saying that science has figured it all out..but there is absolutely no rationale behind saying that just because science hasn't figured EVERYTHING out, then the claim for the supernatural is any more valid.
I like the way that you think...however, using a very broad definition, there is no such thing as supernatural.
If anything exists then it can be studied and be a part of science. Just because it hasn't yet is...meh.
Edit...the OP asks two different questions. One in the Title and one in the thread. So, to answer his title question...there is no such thing as supernatural. If it exists then it is natural.
Are there goblins and sprites...who the frick knows? If there are...then they are natural and not supernatural.
This post was edited on 12/22/15 at 6:35 pm
Posted on 12/22/15 at 6:21 pm to Slippy
I want something else to exist beyond this shite! I don't know if it does or if it doesn't but I have the want.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 6:26 pm to Mullet Flap
Science itself, by its own definition, does not allow for "things just witnessed". The scientific process prohibits that from being accepted as theory. I haven't said that anything supernatural exists, I've only said science can't refute it. A freshman level biology or physical science textbook would tell you the same.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 6:29 pm to Slippy
Theres no good reason to believe in the supernatural.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 6:31 pm to Mullet Flap
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Why do you insist on establishing "the supernatural" as an understood yet untouchable entity? Why would science not be able to study something that is "witnessed" by so many people?
By saying that science and the "supernatural" are separate and one cannot study the other, you are passively avoiding the deserved scrutiny that comes with claiming something exists for which you cannot see and just defaulting to "one can't study the other..the end"
I am not saying that science has figured it all out..but there is absolutely no rationale behind saying that just because science hasn't figured EVERYTHING out, then the claim for the supernatural is any more valid.
He can correct me if I am wrong, but he is not even claiming that the supernatural even exists. He is simply stating that if it did, it is (almost certainly) unknowable.
It's like an ant trying to prove that Mars exists - it's simply outside the realm of understanding for that being. No matter what it does or how much it innovates, that knowledge is not accessible to it.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 6:37 pm to AbuTheMonkey
i believe in God. So do many physicists.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 6:40 pm to zeebo
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i believe in God. So do many physicists.
Many more physicists (and chemists) don't believe in God. Neither do I.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 6:41 pm to The First Cut
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Science itself, by its own definition, does not allow for "things just witnessed
I'm speaking to the extent of people having visions, speaking in tongues and other "spiritual" experiences that can be explained by science.
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The scientific process prohibits that from being accepted as theory. I haven't said that anything supernatural exists, I've only said science can't refute it. A freshman level biology or physical science textbook would tell you the same.
A freshman level biology or physical science textbook wouldn't mention "supernatural", much less that one can't study the other, in the first place. I figured that was common knowledge.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 6:48 pm to AbuTheMonkey
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but he is not even claiming that the supernatural even exists. He is simply stating that if it did, it is (almost certainly) unknowable.
He said that science and the supernatural are separate entities. I simply said that one cannot be an "entity" if not proven to exist in any capacity in the first place. Otherwise, it is merely a loose conjecture on the same level of saying "science cannot and never will be able to study how reincarnation works because it is supernatural".
Posted on 12/22/15 at 6:48 pm to Slippy
A "painted face medicine man" paints his face to protect himself from when he grinds a puffer fish into powder. If he blows the puffer fish powder in your face you better believe you feel a "supernatural sting".
Posted on 12/22/15 at 6:50 pm to LSUalumnBAMAsidewalk
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A "painted face medicine man" paints his face to protect himself from when he grinds a puffer fish into powder. If he blows the puffer fish powder in your face you better believe you feel a "supernatural sting".
ting-a-ling!
Posted on 12/22/15 at 7:01 pm to SlowEasyConfident
Da rougarou
Posted on 12/22/15 at 7:04 pm to LucasP
To be honest, I had a Dominican friend back in my army days. He would always say the voodoo ladies on the island would warn him to not sleep where his reflection was showing. Something about it allowed access to you.
Doubt it's real.
Doubt it's real.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 7:09 pm to BigEdLSU
It's definitely real bro.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 7:12 pm to Flame Salamander
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Conservatives tell us that unless you believe in little baby Jesus he will frick you up the arse with a red hot poker for all eternity....so supernatural eternity must exist.
I'll play this game your libtard way, I'm offended.
But seriously if you think that's the only reason conservatives are conservative, then you don't understand economics. Quick lesson for you, have you ever seen a poor person hire someone? Class dismissed.
Posted on 12/22/15 at 7:13 pm to zeebo
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i believe in God. So do many physicists.
lol, i've never understood why so many people put so much stock into what physicists have to say about god... or neurologists or any other highly respected profession.
I kind of wish people would just collectively agree that no one has a fricking clue what happens when you die and be done with the debate. There will always be speculation, no matter what scientific discovery is made.
I'm still curious about my original question. It wasn't meant to be a smartass question, and I know nothing of physics. Is gravity considered to be "covered" under the 5 senses? I'm assuming touch would be the obvious choice, but you really feel gravity? Isn't gravity just a curvature of space-time? can you really feel that in the classical sense of the word?
This post was edited on 12/22/15 at 7:15 pm
Posted on 12/22/15 at 7:17 pm to Slippy
Between the omnipotence of the Creator and the incompetence of the created lies the supernatural. Understood this way, it's easy to make two simple inferences:
1. The realm is vast
2. It is and always will be almost entirely undetected
1. The realm is vast
2. It is and always will be almost entirely undetected
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