re: Crime Still Isn't Devouring Denver 4 Months After Legal Pot

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Good counterpoint

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yep

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neglect to recognize all of the tobacco smokers

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Not doing that either.

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we should not subsidize or nationalize health care

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The problem is as a country, we are straddling the fence on two sides of the issue.

Side one: everyone deserves care regardless of who pays for it

Whenever you show up at the ER, EMTLA requires that you are rendered medical care regardless of financial resources. Medical Malpractice Laws prevent turning out those patients with self induced disease states that require treatment simply because of lack of funding. The often publicized myth that individuals in need of care could not get care in the country prior to the ACA is total and utter bullshite. Considering the increased premiums for those with insurance forced to change, the expensive premiums for those with none before, and the poor reimbursement forcing physicians to not take ACA patients into their practice, the relative ability to get preventative services or specialty non in-patient care has not changed either.

This side of the argument of course tries to limit and control choices of individuals in an effort to control expenditures while maintaining health.

side 2: Everyone has freedom of choice and an individuals choices that don't directly affect others should not be infringed.

This side of the argument basically believes your healthcare is your responsibility. It empowers the individual through free choice allowing each person to refuse or accept risk and then ultimately benefit or suffer from the consequences. Admittedly this restricts care for those who have little control about their environment or how they arrived there(children, the disabled, the elderly). This side is believed by some to improve society as whole over time as the weak are self eliminated and the strong prosper. The witnessing of the process may actually alter choices of other individuals increasing the overall health of the whole.






The real issue, which I am by no means limiting to pot legalization, is as a society we seem to want to do both. We can't. There are simply not enough recourses to provide totalitarian care (side 1) for those who choose self destructive high risk activities (side 2)Sadly the good hearted Americans who are supporters of side one, often holding to the belief that no one should be allowed to judge who does and does not deserve healthcare, frequently fail to realize that refusing to make a decision for an individual is by default making a decision for the whole. Simply put resources are spread thinner, persons with self abusive habits are kept alive longer, financial return to the community is lower and there is less available for everyone to share.


Personally I am proponent of side two. However, as long as we are stuck providing care based on side one beliefs, we must sadly continue to limit side two freedoms in an effort to keep the ship aright.


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Gravity bongs ftw.

I'd assume the prices maybe about the same, because you have to factor in a 25% sales tax.

ETA: Here is a link to a dispensary in Denver. Interestingly, I found the site from yelping Dispensaries in Denver.

Cheaper prices than street prices

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More recent research from Northwestern: LINK

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Does researching casual marijuana use cause brain abnormalities?

This is a review of the Northwestern paper by a computational biologist.

One real problem that we are having with it is the second hand smoke.

I'm sure I'll take a lot of shite for this, but not everyone here smokes or approves of it. There's been a pretty noticeable increase in marijuana use on porches/patios and in public spaces.

While it's technically illegal to smoke in public, the laws are getting more and more lax. You smell it in parks, you smell it drifting into your windows if neighbors smoke on their patios, you smell it way more at concerts.

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One real problem that we are having with it is the second hand smoke.

I'm sure I'll take a lot of shite for this, but not everyone here smokes or approves of it. There's been a pretty noticeable increase in marijuana use on porches/patios and in public spaces.

While it's technically illegal to smoke in public, the laws are getting more and more lax. You smell it in parks, you smell it drifting into your windows if neighbors smoke on their patios, you smell it way more at concerts.

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Then what about cigs? Lets ban cigs now since they smell bad

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$110 is a good price for most places

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not out west. Recreational (legal) pot is expensive. Most people seem ok with paying the premium to not deal with "illegal" suppliers and I don't blame them. But until storefront pot is cheaper, there will still be non-taxed, out of state, illegal stuff everywhere.

If you pay much more than $140 for an oz in WA, you are getting ripped off.

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I'm sure I'll take a lot of shite for this, but not everyone here smokes or approves of it. There's been a pretty noticeable increase in marijuana use on porches/patios and in public spaces. 

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was at a Rockies game not too long ago and it was noticeable. Surprised the no smoking pot sign didn't work.

How much less could you care?

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And crime, despite warnings from law enforcement officials, isn't rising.

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Four months. Not exactly a long-term look at the issue.