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re: Cop stands up to gun nut in Texas.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 4:15 pm to KosmoCramer
Posted on 3/1/15 at 4:15 pm to KosmoCramer
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When purchasing a firearm you are required to prove who you are and submit to a background check. In many places, one doesn't even need to show ID to vote. So you might want to rethink that one.
Do you not need to show some form of ID to register to vote? Isn't that the same thing?
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As the law stands now, this guy did nothing wrong. If you don't like his actions or legality, then try to get it changed.
I'm not saying that he did anything illegal, and I am not advocating that we make open carry of any weapon illegal. I just don't see the harm in subjecting people who want to open carry rifles in a crowded city to questioning and being asked to ID themselves. Is it an infringement on the right to bear a firearm? Absolutely. Is requiring one to provide an ID to vote an infringement on the right to vote? Absolutely. In both instances, I think the slight infringement is far outweighed by the potential negative consequences that could follow if the safeguards are not in place.
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Posted on 3/1/15 at 4:21 pm to texashorn
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Then get the law changed to require those openly carrying to submit to providing identification. Texas state law does not require that.
My point is, if people would just act reasonable, answer a few questions and be on their way, then there is no need to get the law changed. Neither party did anything wrong. I find it odd that people go out of their way and do irrational things just to prove that, by law, they can do those things. It doesn't make much sense to me.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 4:28 pm to BoredStateWorker
Cuter with every post. I see now why you need that gun. Good luck.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 4:30 pm to nc14
You're the one who called a hairy man beast cute, princess.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 4:34 pm to UpToPar
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I find it odd that people go out of their way and do irrational things just to prove that, by law, they can do those things. It doesn't make much sense to me.
I can only imagine your thoughts on the First Amendment and antagonizing Muslims through cartoons depicting Mohammed.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 4:37 pm to UpToPar
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I just don't see the harm in subjecting people who want to open carry rifles in a crowded city to questioning and being asked to ID themselves. Is it an infringement on the right to bear a firearm?
How, exactly, that an infringement. He can still bear the firearm while he gets his ID out. I don't recall the second amendment saying anything about not being able to ask for an ID.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 4:39 pm to heatom2
You know there are other amendments besides 1 & 2...right?
Posted on 3/1/15 at 4:40 pm to texashorn
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I can only imagine your thoughts on the First Amendment and antagonizing Muslims through cartoons depicting Mohammed.
I don't mind it. It serves its purpose just as spoof movies serve their purpose. I don't see any legitimate reason why one would carry around an AR in downtown houston, do you?
Posted on 3/1/15 at 4:42 pm to heatom2
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How, exactly, that an infringement. He can still bear the firearm while he gets his ID out. I don't recall the second amendment saying anything about not being able to ask for an ID.
The same way requiring a background check to purchase a firearm is an infringement. There are very few absolute rights. With almost all rights there is a balance between the absolute ability to do that thing and the prohibition on being able to do that thing.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 5:11 pm to UpToPar
So exercising our rights requires "purpose"? Wonderful.
I go to a lot of government meetings, which have public comment periods. I thought about simply reading this:
Can you imagine being arrested for a "terroristic threat" because you read one sentence of the Declaration of Independence? I can.
I go to a lot of government meetings, which have public comment periods. I thought about simply reading this:
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That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
Can you imagine being arrested for a "terroristic threat" because you read one sentence of the Declaration of Independence? I can.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 5:50 pm to texashorn
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So exercising our rights requires "purpose"? Wonderful.
You're reading comprehension is severely lacking. I never once said that exercising a right requires a purpose. All I said was that I don't understand people who exercise a right for no other purpose than "because they can."
Posted on 3/1/15 at 5:58 pm to UpToPar
quote:And hence why the courts have allowed Congress and legislatures to pass some measures related to both - "regulation" meaning rules created to makes some exercise "regular."
I just don't see the harm in subjecting people who want to open carry rifles in a crowded city to questioning and being asked to ID themselves. Is it an infringement on the right to bear a firearm? Absolutely. Is requiring one to provide an ID to vote an infringement on the right to vote? Absolutely. In both instances, I think the slight infringement is far outweighed by the potential negative consequences that could follow if the safeguards are not in place.
Personally, the guy wearing a kilt was the most disturbing part of the video.
I don't think open carry should be illegal, but it seems kind of stupid when I see people doing it. Seems to me that when the psycho nut job storms into the Cracker Barrel to kill every jagof in there, that hog leg on your hip is either going to make you his first target or make everyone expect you to jump up and go all OK Corral on his arse and get yourself shot by either the psycho or the amped up cops responding. To each his own, I guess.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 6:00 pm to texashorn
quote:you really think you would be arrested for that?
Can you imagine being arrested for a "terroristic threat" because you read one sentence of the Declaration of Independence? I can.
you win the crazy as a shithouse rat game.Posted on 3/1/15 at 6:02 pm to texashorn
The first thing any group of revolutionaries do once they've gained power is declare what they just did to be illegal for anyone else to do.
It's SOP.
It's SOP.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 7:25 pm to BoredStateWorker
More passive/aggressive for you sweetie. Grab that firearm.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 7:28 pm to UpToPar
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You're reading comprehension
Classic.
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I never once said that exercising a right requires a purpose. All I said was that I don't understand people who exercise a right for no other purpose than "because they can."
uh.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 7:41 pm to Asgard Device
You got me there. I'm usually pretty good with the you're vs. your. Slip of the mind.
As far as the rest of your post goes, I'm confused. There is a clear difference in thinking that someone would need a legitimate purpose to exercise a right and not understanding why someone would exercise a right just for the hell of it. I fall in the latter group.
As far as the rest of your post goes, I'm confused. There is a clear difference in thinking that someone would need a legitimate purpose to exercise a right and not understanding why someone would exercise a right just for the hell of it. I fall in the latter group.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 7:43 pm to UpToPar
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not understanding why someone would exercise a right just for the hell of it. I fall in the latter group.
Well, of course. You're a cop.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 7:50 pm to Asgard Device
Don't have to be a cop to feel that way. I own multiple AR's and I would not in a million years feel like I should walk down the street with one on my back. And if I did, I would hope that a police officer would question it, and I would politely show him my ID.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 7:53 pm to Asgard Device
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Well, of course. You're a cop.
I'm not a cop.
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