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re: Cop stands up to gun nut in Texas.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 1:17 pm to Mindenfan
Posted on 3/1/15 at 1:17 pm to Mindenfan
quote:
How did the cop know he was a law abiding citizen without checking him?
By noticing that he wasn't breaking any laws.
I don't like pushing cops like this but, this is what its come down to concerning gun rights.
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Posted on 3/1/15 at 1:18 pm to Mindenfan
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How did the cop know he was a law abiding citizen without checking him?
This logic could apply to ANYONE.
This post was edited on 3/1/15 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 3/1/15 at 1:20 pm to BoredStateWorker
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Do you not?
So you admit to usually carrying a firearm out in public. Do you have a problem with cops stopping you and demanding your ID because they can tell you have a weapon?
Posted on 3/1/15 at 1:24 pm to BoredStateWorker
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you'll be dead before you know it.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 1:26 pm to prplhze2000
Question for those who don't agree with the cop stopping him: does your answer change if he's walking down the street in full body armor?
Posted on 3/1/15 at 1:27 pm to OLDBEACHCOMBER
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OLDBEACHCOMBER
Bob, I thought you were dead. Hopefully you're off the sauce.
Would be curious to see the reaction to young black or arabic guys exercising their 2A rights. They'd probably get shot.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 1:45 pm to Mung
Here's the issue I see:
He violated no laws even after he was questioned and subsequently illegally detained (in my mind).
The officer was calm, cool and collected and went through what he thought was the proper protocol but it turns out he had no legal right to do what he did.
If all of you people feel so strongly that he shouldn't have the right bear arms and that that right should NOT be infringed, then work to get the laws changed. Just because the Supreme Court ruled that something is unconstitutional doesn't mean that can't be changed if the citizenry wishes.
As it stands now, this individual didn't need to identify (in Texas)even his name nor submit to questioning. And should never have been detained. That's 100% the law.
He violated no laws even after he was questioned and subsequently illegally detained (in my mind).
The officer was calm, cool and collected and went through what he thought was the proper protocol but it turns out he had no legal right to do what he did.
If all of you people feel so strongly that he shouldn't have the right bear arms and that that right should NOT be infringed, then work to get the laws changed. Just because the Supreme Court ruled that something is unconstitutional doesn't mean that can't be changed if the citizenry wishes.
As it stands now, this individual didn't need to identify (in Texas)even his name nor submit to questioning. And should never have been detained. That's 100% the law.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 2:16 pm to Asgard Device
If that is their only reason for the stop, yes.
The department will issue a public apology and declare a change in policy, or they can deal with my attornies.
I don't print, nor have I opened carried since 2005.
No one should exceed their authority.
The department will issue a public apology and declare a change in policy, or they can deal with my attornies.
I don't print, nor have I opened carried since 2005.
No one should exceed their authority.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 2:19 pm to KosmoCramer
i think you misunderstand the opposition. No one(or very few) thinks he violated any laws. Attention whoring in public with guns is simply a bad idea, and has the potential to get non-gun owners in such a froth, that they might push to get laws passed that actually do affect our right to bear arms. Or it might get you shot, if someone views you as a legitimate threat. Perhaps a better question is, what did he accomplish positively by walking around town open carrying?
Posted on 3/1/15 at 2:23 pm to Mung
People talking. Raised awareness.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 2:39 pm to BoredStateWorker
Raised awareness in a terrible way.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 2:47 pm to boom roasted
He was a liberal in disguise.
Ever seen a Latino vote republican?
Ever seen a Latino vote republican?
Posted on 3/1/15 at 2:50 pm to prplhze2000
Got a couple pages in and still haven't seen it mentioned that open carry is illegal in Texas, or has that changed?
Posted on 3/1/15 at 3:28 pm to RATeamWannabe
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Got a couple pages in and still haven't seen it mentioned that open carry is illegal in Texas, or has that changed?
Long Gun =/= Handgun
Posted on 3/1/15 at 3:45 pm to BoredStateWorker
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You do realize what the initial restrictions on voting were...right?
Most of the current restrictions on voting are also restrictions on owning a firearm, so I'll ask again, how do you feel about voter ID laws? They are an infringement on citizens right to vote, are they not?
Oh, and you're likely not nearly as bad arse as you think you are.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 3:58 pm to BoredStateWorker
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70% pussies
You're the one that needs a gun.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 4:02 pm to nc14
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You're the one that needs a gun.
Gun or not, I'm not one for abusing women, so I'll let you slide.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 4:04 pm to UpToPar
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It's legal in most circumstances. The Id and questioning would be done to confirm that it's legal. Believe it or not, if you cooperate, answer questions and provide id, you are not going to be threatened and will likely be on your way in less than a minute.
Then get the law changed to require those openly carrying to submit to providing identification. Texas state law does not require that.
Otherwise, you are being illegally detained. And make no mistake, if you walk away from the "questioning," you will likely be arrested for evading arrest or detention.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 4:06 pm to UpToPar
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Most of the current restrictions on voting are also restrictions on owning a firearm, so I'll ask again, how do you feel about voter ID laws? They are an infringement on citizens right to vote, are they not?
When purchasing a firearm you are required to prove who you are and submit to a background check. In many places, one doesn't even need to show ID to vote. So you might want to rethink that one.
As the law stands now, this guy did nothing wrong. If you don't like his actions or legality, then try to get it changed.
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