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re: Cop stands up to gun nut in Texas.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 9:56 pm to texashorn
Posted on 3/1/15 at 9:56 pm to texashorn
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You wouldn't call driving around with two rifles in your rear window with a Stars and Bars sticker on the window -- circling through the Houston hood -- suspicious?
Cocaine cowboys circle the hood all the time looking for a fix--nothing suspicious to me.
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Posted on 3/1/15 at 10:08 pm to UpToPar
You still haven't answered the question about you believe the police should do if the subject walks away during the interrogation.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 10:17 pm to texashorn
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You still haven't answered the question about you believe the police should do if the subject walks away during the interrogation.
I don't think the question was ever posed to me, but I understand that is a difficult question. The issue is that if cops simply allow someone to walk away and not answer the questions, then the safeguard that was put in place is useless since the only people that are going to conceivably answer the questions will be people will no ill intentions. However, I recognize that as the law stands right now, if the person is not free to walk away at any time then they are being detained, and without reasonably suspicion the detention would be unconstitutional. I also don't think that refusing to answer questions, without more, is per se reasonable suspicion that would allow for a terry stop.
As I have repeated, me not having a problem with cops questioning and IDing people walking around cities with AR 15s is not the same as me thinking that detaining the person would be constitutional.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 10:21 pm to UpToPar
I do agree with what you have typed, except for the strong notion of "if you don't have anything to hide, why worry?"
Posted on 3/1/15 at 10:30 pm to texashorn
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except for the strong notion of "if you don't have anything to hide, why worry?"
For me, it's not so much this as it is me knowing that cooperating is the quickest and easiest way for me to go on about my day. I understand that some are not so willing to comply, and I recognize that you have a right not to comply. I just don't buy the slippery slope argument that some people use thinking that if they allow any infringement on their rights at all then the government is going to eventually come in their homes and take their guns.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 10:48 pm to texashorn
I honestly had never heard of this. The link doesn't state why the guns were confiscated, do you know?
Anyhow, I think you misunderstood my statement. It's not that I don't think the government, or rather the democratic party, would like to severely limit our rights under the second amendment, I just don't think cops stopping people open carrying is the first step the are trying to take to do it. I think those steps are being taken with attempts to limit magazine capacity. In other words, I don't think that borderline terry stops are the first step in a much larger conspiracy to take away gun rights.
Anyhow, I think you misunderstood my statement. It's not that I don't think the government, or rather the democratic party, would like to severely limit our rights under the second amendment, I just don't think cops stopping people open carrying is the first step the are trying to take to do it. I think those steps are being taken with attempts to limit magazine capacity. In other words, I don't think that borderline terry stops are the first step in a much larger conspiracy to take away gun rights.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 10:50 pm to UpToPar
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I honestly had never heard of this. The link doesn't state why the guns were confiscated, do you know?
Because several police officers decided unilaterally to suspend the Constitution while ignoring state law.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 11:16 pm to texashorn
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Because several police officers decided unilaterally to suspend the Constitution while ignoring state law.
But what was their reason for doing so? To unarm the citizens or because they needed to use the guns?
It also looks like martial law was declared (or at least arguably declared). I understand the concern and I certainly don't agree with unarming citizens even in the direst of circumstances (after all, if there was ever a time to own a gun for self defense, it was in the aftermath of Katrina), but I don't think that questioning citizens open carrying AR 15s in any way led to what happened.
This post was edited on 3/1/15 at 11:24 pm
Posted on 3/1/15 at 11:37 pm to UpToPar
I just hope all the people who are pissed about cops stopping people w/guns to check their ID also get mad when a brown man is stopped and meets demands to prove he is a legal citizen.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 12:17 am to Dr RC
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I just hope all the people who are pissed about cops stopping people w/guns to check their ID also get mad when a brown man is stopped and meets demands to prove he is a legal citizen.
Sure, absolutely.
But noncitizens in the United States legally are required to personally possess proof of registration under federal law:
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(e) Personal possession of registration or receipt card; penalties
Every alien, eighteen years of age and over, shall at all times carry with him and have in his personal possession any certificate of alien registration or alien registration receipt card issued to him pursuant to subsection (d) of this section.
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Posted on 3/2/15 at 10:11 am to Mung
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Would be curious to see the reaction to young black or arabic guys exercising their 2A rights. They'd probably get shot.
I agree with those that said just because it's your right doesn't mean it's wise to do it.
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