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re: Colorado Supreme Court: workers can be fired for off-duty marijuana use
Posted on 6/15/15 at 1:06 pm to UpToPar
Posted on 6/15/15 at 1:06 pm to UpToPar
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The courts and employers know that most of these people don't "need" medical marijuana. It's almost as bull shite as the adderall prescriptions.
You couldn't be more ignorant.
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 1:06 pm to High C
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This is only fair. Employers should have say in their employees alcohol use. If you don't like it, get another job.
FIFY. Would you agree with that? I mean ultimately I agree employers can put whatever crazy temperance stipulations they want to, but it's not a good idea for a number of reasons.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 1:10 pm to NYNolaguy1
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I mean ultimately I agree employers can put whatever crazy temperance stipulations they want to, but it's not a good idea for a number of reasons.
How so? Any company that authorizes employees to use company cars can and will fire them on the spot if they get charged with a DWI off the clock and in their own personal vehicle. This isn't about them regulating behavior off the clock. Its about them covering their arse for liability purposes.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 1:12 pm to NYNolaguy1
If it interferes with their job performance or creates a safety or liability, I absolutely agree with that.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 1:13 pm to Loveland Tiger
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You couldn't be more ignorant.
So medicinal marijuana is only prescribed to people who need it? There isn't any abuse of the system? shite, this guy had a prescription for muscle spasms. Is that all that I need to tell the doctor to get prescribed? I'm fully aware that there are other medications that are abused in the same manner.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 1:13 pm to logjamming
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That's a bit of a stretch. Hypothetically, you get drunk on a Sunday night, come into work hungover, drive a company vehicle, and rear-end someone while you're BAC is still .04-.06.
In this case you are still "following the law," but your employer has every right to fire you for operating a company vehicle with an intoxicant in your system.
If you don't like these terms, go work somewhere else. I don't see the big deal here.
Let's say that crash happens after drinking on Saturday night, and not in a company car. I recover on Sunday and go to work Monday. That's where my issue with this lies. Why should my private life affect my employment?
Posted on 6/15/15 at 1:16 pm to logjamming
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nd in a state like Colorado, getting a 'script for medicinal marijuana is a total joke.
Why do I need a permit, at all?
It's my business, not yours. Do I tell you what to eat or drink?
Here's a clue to some of you: We don't enjoy Cannabis to trip out. We don't enjoy cannabis to pass out. We don't enjoy cannabis to hallucinate. Or to get "drunk".
We enjoy cannabis because it makes us feel better. It can allow a cancer patient to eat. It relieves pain with no side effects. Peanuts kill more humans that cannabis.
Finally, Google Endocannabinoid system, study it, then get back to us.
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The endocannabinoid system is a group of neuromodulatory lipids and their receptors in the brain that are involved in a variety of physiological processes including appetite, pain-sensation, mood, and memory; it mediates the psychoactive effects of cannabis and, broadly speaking, includes:
It's a miracle drug, and Colorado is proving it if the pols get out of the way.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 1:20 pm to logjamming
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This isn't about them regulating behavior off the clock. Its about them covering their arse for liability purposes.
I feel like you're missing my point. If you make your employees stipulate that they will never drink/smoke pot legally, is that the best way to get good employees? If you put those stipulations on just about any professional firm in NYC they would lose a sizable portion of their employees over night.
Every professional job I have ever seen stipulates that dangerous alcohol use is grounds for termination, not any alcohol use.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 1:21 pm to Loveland Tiger
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It's my business, not yours. Do I tell you what to eat or drink?
I think that's the point.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 1:21 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Why should my private life affect my employment?
Because it is a liability issue. Not a moral one. If you have a DWI, and your employer knows about it, and you wind up getting drunk and hitting someone IN a company car at a later date, the company is completely f*cked because they were aware of your previous issue.
I'm not getting into the morality/politics of the issue. Pot is pretty harmless and anyone who says otherwise is wrong. But if you injure someone while you're on the job and there is pot in your system (whether you're high or not at the moment), that affects the employers potential liability and insurance scheme, and it gets even worse if you had failed tests before and the employer was aware of it previously.
ETA: had a friend who got a DUI early on a Sunday morning (2am). Worked for an oil company in central Texas, making good money. He walked into work Monday and they fired him on the spot, claiming they wouldn't want to pay a higher insurance premium for a driver with a DWI on their record when they could hire 10 other willing people with clean records.
This post was edited on 6/15/15 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 6/15/15 at 1:25 pm to logjamming
Everyone at the company I work for that drives a company vehicle is subject to a random alcohol and drug test at anytime during the day and if anything shows up, bye bye.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 1:26 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Why should my private life affect my employment?
Posted on 6/15/15 at 1:26 pm to NYNolaguy1
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I feel like you're missing my point. If you make your employees stipulate that they will never drink/smoke pot legally, is that the best way to get good employees? If you put those stipulations on just about any professional firm in NYC they would lose a sizable portion of their employees over night.
Okay, but shouldn't it be up to the business whether they wish to restrict their own employee pool in such a manner? If they wish to fire employees for smoking pot and the consequence of that is that nobody wants to work for them, then so be it, but I don't think the government should start telling companies what they can and cannot fire people for when it doesn't serve any legitimate purpose.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 1:27 pm to logjamming
If he is otherwise performing his job, and he doesn't drive automobile for DISH, they should have made an exception.
We still need to study the effects of cannabis. It's not the same as alcohol, and we need to do a better job differentiating between the two. Particularly how long the pot has been in the system, and impairment, if any.
I haven't had so much as a parking ticket in over 35 years.
We still need to study the effects of cannabis. It's not the same as alcohol, and we need to do a better job differentiating between the two. Particularly how long the pot has been in the system, and impairment, if any.
I haven't had so much as a parking ticket in over 35 years.
This post was edited on 6/15/15 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 6/15/15 at 1:28 pm to lsunurse
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Makes sense. How can they test and tell that a nurse didn't toke up 30 minutes before her shift caring for sick newborns vs yesterday on her day off?
If she comes to work high?
Posted on 6/15/15 at 1:31 pm to UpToPar
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So medicinal marijuana is only prescribed to people who need it? There isn't any abuse of the system? shite, this guy had a prescription for muscle spasms. Is that all that I need to tell the doctor to get prescribed? I'm fully aware that there are other medications that are abused in the same manner.
Way to move the goalposts. Obviously there is abuse in the system... find me a system without any abuse and I'll find you a lying sack of poo system.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 1:32 pm to logjamming
A couple of things- I have a slightly skewed view of this since I have no car and don't drive (subway, mass transportation everywhere, thanks NYC). With that said, I don't have a problem with firing someone who causes an incident because they are drunk or high on the job, especially if they are driving and/or cause an accident. I get that.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 1:33 pm to Darth_Vader
The company can do whatever the hell it pleases, but that doesnt make it right.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 1:33 pm to Loveland Tiger
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they should have made an exception.
So you want the government telling businesses what they should and should not do?
Posted on 6/15/15 at 1:34 pm to Loveland Tiger
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We still need to study the effects of cannabis. It's not the same as alcohol
I don't know about you, but I've been studying it, and alcohol kills and causes more violet crimes than cannabis (zero being deaths and millions of deaths from alcohol). What kind of studying are you talking about?
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