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re: Brendan Dassey won't be released after all
Posted on 11/17/16 at 5:20 pm to Ace Midnight
Posted on 11/17/16 at 5:20 pm to Ace Midnight
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Posted on 11/17/16 at 6:30 pm to ClientNumber9
You realize the only "evidence" of Dassey's involvement is the confession, right?
And that the only "evidence" of the sexual assault is said testimony as well.
It was a complete farce, as was Dassey's original attorney.
And that the only "evidence" of the sexual assault is said testimony as well.
It was a complete farce, as was Dassey's original attorney.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 6:57 pm to TexasTiger39
quote:Yeah they left out such smoking gun evidence like the the fact that Avery watched porn.
This is evident by all of the evidence the documentary left out.
Regardless, whatever the likelihood that Avery was guilty--and reasonable doubt is very reasonable in his case--Dassey is far less likely.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 7:03 pm to KosmoCramer
quote:And there are multiple examples of false confessions from adults without any intellectual deficits.
You realize the only "evidence" of Dassey's involvement is the confession, right?
Yet, despite those examples available to the public, people still can't accept that a minor with intellectual deficits could falsely confess.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 7:07 pm to Barf
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The court system, and often times law enforcement, lack ability to admit when they are wrong.
It's disgusting and tragic. I know of a case out of Jefferson Parish where the dude is serving life for rape. Except their was never physical evidence, only the word of the accuser who has since recanted and even swore under oath that she made it up and was willing to be charged with perjury. Jeff Parish DA still refuses to do anything.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 7:12 pm to rondo
quote:his attorney helped the fricking prosecution
Its also cruel to be so dumb you help your frickface uncle kill a girl
Posted on 11/17/16 at 7:21 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:He may be guilty, but this is a fundamental flaw in our justice system, especially as the events become more distant in the past.
Avery did this crime, period. There is no other reasonable conclusion.
Often times, the investigation narrows in on a suspect or two, and with the path of least resistance and some confirmation bias, the investigation is focused on this singular theory.
The theory is shaping the evidence, rather than the evidence shaping the theory. Then, when we view it later on, it's hard to see any other possibility because those whose job is to explore them, failed to do that.
Now at least in most trials, the defense can present an alternative theory (if one can afford a lawyer to explore them), but in this case, they weren't allowed to do that. And the further we get from the events, the less probable it is to find evidence otherwise.
So yeah, of course Avery seems like the only possibility; when one is presented with the choice of either Avery or a women's murder going unsolved, our dislike for uncertainty and the emotional implications of it, can easily lead to the only other option available.
This post was edited on 11/17/16 at 7:24 pm
Posted on 11/17/16 at 8:46 pm to KosmoCramer
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Dassey's original attorney.
Even though I think Avery is guilty as hell, and would probably vote to find Dassey at least civilly liable (if on a civil jury), this guy's conduct is indescribable - words fail me in describing how he failed in his duty and responsibilities as an attorney.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 8:58 pm to biglego
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I know of a case out of Jefferson Parish where the dude is serving life for rape. Except their was never physical evidence, only the word of the accuser who has since recanted and even swore under oath that she made it up and was willing to be charged with perjury. Jeff Parish DA still refuses to do anything.
That kind of shite is so frustrating to hear about. Makes you really want to be careful about who you associate with.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 9:02 pm to rondo
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Its also cruel to be so dumb you help your frickface uncle kill a girl
I mean the evidence of it happening like that is plain as day, amiright? Blood and dna everywhere! Those crime scenes were a cop's dream.
This post was edited on 11/17/16 at 9:02 pm
Posted on 11/17/16 at 9:02 pm to Grim
Read that Dassey gave away all of his prison possessions and emptied his prison bank giving his money to his jailhouse buddies because they told him he was being released.
and now....
and now....
Posted on 11/17/16 at 9:06 pm to Ace Midnight
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Even though I think Avery is guilty as hell
And it's all based off his nature and prior conviction. There is reasonable doubt abound. Our legal system is not supposed to work like it did.
How could any reasonable person conclude he raped, murdered, and disposeed of the body of someone he called to his house all while he was about to receive a massive settlement? Hell, he even decided to invite some family over to partake! Throw in the fact no DNA was found at the supposed scene of the crime, it's baffling to me he was ever convicted.
We have an awkward perv that ended up with blood in a vehicle kept on the property and bne fragments in a burn pit, all easily planted by someone (not necessarily the cops). If he was so careful to keep dna out of the scene of the crime, why in the frick didn't he bleach the vehicle and dump the burn debris somewhere else?
This post was edited on 11/17/16 at 9:11 pm
Posted on 11/17/16 at 9:13 pm to AUbagman
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How could any reasonable person conclude he raped, murdered, and disposeed of the body of someone he called to his house all while he was about to receive a massive settlement?
Because he decided they "owed" him one and figured it would be the perfect crime. Nobody would believe he'd done it, as he'd just been released on a deal that he HAD been railroaded for. Just because he didn't do that first crime (which I sympathize) that he did the long stretch for doesn't mean he didn't do the second one.
Can we agree that it is 99% likely that she was killed at the Avery salvage lot? That neither she nor her vehicle never left the property that day?
So, if you agree to that, the universe of possible suspects drops to about 4 or 5. The probabilities continue to increase as you look at Stephen Avery, period.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 9:14 pm to AUbagman
Let me just throw out a hypothetical. Let's say Dassey is waiting on his new trial and he accepts a plea deal. One that allows him to get out of prison (time served), but acknowledges his and Avery's involvement in the crime. Would this change anyone's feeling on the case going forward?
Posted on 11/18/16 at 8:04 am to brmark70816
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Would this change anyone's feeling on the case going forward?
I doubt it - it's polarizing. Pragmatic folks (like myself) can look at this and see that Avery in all likelihood did the crime. Folks that are already inclined to disbelieve the police - and make no mistake about it - law enforcement/prosecutorial misconduct appears likely here - want to believe the worst about the cops, but not about this individual.
You can even read between the lines of the Pollyannaish documentary - Avery is of subaverage general intellect. Despite this, he is quite cunning. And even more damning for him, is he has developed the ability to manipulate those in his one branch family tree. He also thinks he is more clever than he actually is.
My final analysis is similar to O.J. - it is possible for cops to frame a guilty man. I'm torn as to how that should turn out. Do the guilty get a pass unless law enforcement conduct is perfect? Or, do we just allow any means if it justifies the ends?
I remain torn, particularly on Dassey. Just not sure how that all went down. But sure enough to not lose sleep over Avery and Dassey's incarceration.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 8:12 am to TheCaterpillar
Side effect of a poorly incentivized industry. Prosecutors are rewarded for convictions not justice. I've said it a million times but frick lawyers and frick our legal industry.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 10:10 am to Ace Midnight
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Pragmatic folks (like myself) can look at this and see that Avery in all likelihood did the crime.
Based on what? There is not one single droplet of her blood in any one of the places the police claimed they killed her.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 11:10 am to Barf
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Based on what?
Circumstantial evidence. The mere fact he concealed his number when calling her multiple times the day she disappeared and she was killed on his family property probably ramps up his chances to 90%.
I mean, say you're not happy with the police conduct. I completely understand that - as an attorney I'm appalled at the conduct of Dassey's attorney and the prosecutor.
But say you don't really believe he did it and that someone else did? How old are you to be this naïve?
Posted on 11/18/16 at 11:36 am to Ace Midnight
This thread is about Dassey, and he should be released.
It's immoral that he's not.
It's immoral that he's not.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 11:50 am to Ace Midnight
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The mere fact he concealed his number when calling her multiple times the day she disappeared and she was killed on his family property probably ramps up his chances to 90%
Wait. What? How do you know where she was killed?
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But say you don't really believe he did it and that someone else did? How old are you to be this naïve?
You speak as if there is physical evidence then turn around and claim anyone who thinks otherwise is suffering from naivety. Yet, you have nothing outside your own personal belief that he is at the very least 90% responsible and not a single piece of physical evidence to back up your claim.
Do you understand how weird that sounds? They found not one drop of blood in any of the places the police claim she was murdered. Her own keys which they "found" in the Avery's trailer didn't even contain her DNA. An object that she carried in her hands on a daily basis did not contain her DNA, yet it had Avery's DNA?
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