re: Brendan Dassey won't be released after all

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Even if we operate under the assumption he was treated fairly while in custody, what is the evidence he committed rape?

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Confession Transcript

From HIS OWN CONFESSION:

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He went to go pick up some stuff around the yard then after that we, he asked me to come in the house cuz he wanted to show me somethin'. And he showed me that she was laying on the bed, her hands were roped up to the bed and that her legs were cuffed. And then he told me to have sex with her and so I didbecause I thought I was not gonna get away from 'em cuz he was too strong, so I did what he said and then after that, he untied her and uncuffed her and then he brought her outside and before he went outside, he told me to grab her clothes and her shoes. So we went into the garage and before she went out, when before he took her outside, he had tied up her hands and feet and then was in the garage and he stabbed her and then he told me to. And, after that he wanted to make sure she was dead or somethin' so he shot her five times and while he was doing that I wasn't looking because I can't watch that stuff. So I was standing by the big door in the garage and then after that, he took her outside and we put her on the fire and we used her clothes to clean up the, some of the blood. And, when we put her in the fire, and her clothes, we were standing right by the garage, to wait for it to get down so we threw some of that stuff on it after it went down.

POLICE: Come on, Brendan. What's he telling her at this time? We know there's some talking going on, OK. We, we know that.

BRENDAN: That he said that he was gonna take her out to the garage and stab her and shoot her.

POLICE: He actually says that to her or does he say that to you or who's he saying that to?

BRENDAN: To both of us.

POLICE: And what is she saying when he tells her that?

BRENDAN: To not do that.

POLICE: Does he have a weapon at this time when he's untying her and tying her back up?

BRENDAN: Well, when he was done roping her her roped her, he grabbed the gun and then he grabbed her.

POLICE: OK. Let's start with when you bring her out to the garage. Where do you put her?

DASSEY: On the floor.

POLICE: And continue, tell us what happens.

DASSEY: And then he stabs her and then he tells me to and then he puts her into the jeep and then he said he would rather burn her so then he put her back on the floor and then he shot her five times.

POLICE: Where does he stab her?

DASSEY: In the chest.

POLICE: Show me where.

DASSEY: Like right here.

POLICE: Where do you stab her?

DASSEY: In the stomach.

POLICE: What does she say when you stab her?

DASSEY: To stop what I was doin'.

POLICE: What's that? Is she screaming?

DASSEY: Yeah.

POLICE: Is she screaming and saying stop what you're doing? Is she swearing at you? Is she struggling or what? Tell us how that happened.

DASSEY: Just that she was crying a lot.

POLICE: Are you holding her down?

DASSEY: No.

POLICE: Who is?

DASSEY: Steven is.

POLICE: Were you involved with the murder of Teresa Halbach, yes or no?

DASSEY: Yes.

POLICE: Who else was involved with it?

DASSEY: Steven.

POLICE: Steven who?

DASSEY: Avery.

POLICE: OK, anybody else?

DASSEY: No.

POLICE: Why did you go over there? You had this stuff planned out already, didn't you? You and Steve had this planned? Yeah? Yes or no?

DASSEY: Yeah.

POLICE: OK and when did you plan it?

DASSEY: For a few days.

POLICE: OK. And what did you have planned? Tell me what you had planned. Come on. Brendan did you have this planned? Yes or no?

BRENDAN: Yes.

POLICE: Who did you plan it with?

DASSEY: Steven.

POLICE: When?

DASSEY: A few days before it happened.

POLICE: OK, and what did you have planned to do? (pause) The details are easy, come on, you've already given me that you were involved in it, so just go on with the details, paint the picture for me. Obviously I know already, I know a bunch of this already. I keep proving that to you. The details are easy, just tell me what you guys planned and what you did, no sweat.

DASSEY: That I had sex with her.

POLICE: Why did he pick Teresa?

DASSEY: Cuz she was comin' over that day.

POLICE: Did he tell you she was coming over? Did he tell you she was coming over?

DASSEY: Yeah.

POLICE: And what did he say he was going to do?

DASSEY: That he was gonna to kill her.

POLICE: Did he say why?

DASSEY: No.

POLICE: Did he tell you to come over then? To help him or what did he tell you? What did he tell you Brendan?

DASSEY: That he wanted me to help 'em.

POLICE: And did you agree to do that?

DASSEY: Yeah.

POLICE: Did he tell you about Teresa, that he had met her before?

DASSEY: Yeah.

POLICE: OK. Tell me about that. What did he say about her?

DASSEY: That she looked good and she was pretty nice.

POLICE: OK. Did he tell ya where she worked?

DASSEY: No.

POLICE: Did he tell ya how he was gonna get her in the house?

DASSEY: No.

POLICE: How did he, do you know?

DASSEY: No.

POLICE: OK. So a couple days prior you said there this lady he knows or tell me how he says that. I don't wanna put words in your mouth, tell me how he says it to you.

DASSEY: That he had a girl coming over to take a picture of a van.

POLICE: OK. What else?

DASSEY: And then that he would do that to her.

POLICE: No, wha-tell me exactly what he said.

DASSEY: That he would kill her.

POLICE: Did he laugh about it or what? Why did, why did he say he was gonna kill her?

DASSEY: 'Cause he was pissed off that Jodi was in jail again

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He also confessed to slashing her in the trailer and blood going everywhere. There was not a drop of blood found in the trailer. Or any blood found on the dirty floor of the garage.

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Maybe not but the clothes being burned in the fire pit is exactly what happened.

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From HIS OWN CONFESSION:

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If I say I am the King of Siam, will you believe me?

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The state will fight tooth and nail to protect their conviction, regardless of whether he was culpable. It's not about truth or guilt at this point, but about politics and power.

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Well I can too, but it's nonetheless fricked up. Carrying on the fight started by obviously corrupt law enforcement in some backwater is just so counterproductive, IMO.

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Did you watch the documentary?

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Again, yes I watched it but it was not a documentary. It wasn't. It was funded, endorsed and promoted solely by the defense. It was not a fair, unbiased attempt at discovering truth. I think this is the biggest concept that people aren't getting. They're thinking Netflix made this unbiased series aimed at justice.

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Again, yes I watched it but it was not a documentary. It wasn't. It was funded, endorsed and promoted solely by the defense. It was not a fair, unbiased attempt at discovering truth. I think this is the biggest concept that people aren't getting. They're thinking Netflix made this unbiased series aimed at justice.

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I don't know what Dassey did or didn't do. I do think he was railroaded.

I think Steven was too, but I'm pretty confident Steven committed the crime.

Do you think the cops planted evidence?

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I think Steven was too, but I'm pretty confident Steven committed the crime.

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Steven Avery is absolutely guilty. And Dassey is almost certainly involved in the rape and cover up of the crime. I don't think he was the mastermind (obviously) but Avery used him to help move/dispose of the body. Avery goading Dassey to help with the rape fits with indoctrinating a cohort to the crime.

As far as the Netflix series goes, the softball, slanted way they painted Avery makes me 100% question anything conclusions reached by that show.

Now, was Dassey manipulated at times during his interview? Yes. But what most people don't know is police use tactics like this on a daily basis- they say they're "just trying to help" and "we're you're friends here". That's the way interrogations go. They're made to wear you down.

My beef is that he was/is mentally retarded and that should have been recognized. But I absolutely believe Dassey played a role in the aftermath of the murder.

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It was funded, endorsed and promoted solely by the defense.

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For all practical purposes, the "documentary" was a dressed up, monetized version of the defense's trial package - solely from the side of the defense.

Avery did this crime, period. There is no other reasonable conclusion. Dassey's rights were violated to the point he probably needs a vacated conviction and sentence, but he was almost certainly involved in either the crime or cover up to some degree. For frick's sake, he was too slow to make up shite like that.

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I don't practice criminal law, but I don't know that defense attorneys collude with law enforcement (which I think happened here) and I don't think law enforcement regularly plants evidence months after the fact to bolster cases against guilty individuals.

I think it happens, but I don't think it is the norm. This is a particularly sloppy and appalling rendition of that exception.

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I think most logical people would see how the wrongful rape conviction of Avery did in fact create the animal responsible for the rape/murder/mutilation in the second case.

This makes it difficult to come to a conclusion as to what should happen with Dassey.

Regardless of the crime committed against Avery the first time, it is not a get out of jail free card for the crime he really committed. The LEO and courts involved in the wrongful conviction of Avery the first time MUST be investigated and dealt with.

Reading the script is the confession by Dassey is disturbing. There is no happy middle ground here. A solution could be to transfer him to a psychiatric facility.

I have little sympathy for the victim of the first case who wrongfully identified Avery after saying she thoroughly studied her attacked so she could identify him for LEOs. She has to live the rest of her life knowing she shoulders some responsibility for creating the monster that killed the photographer.

This is so f'd up in so many ways there is no happy ending for anyone involved.

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looks like irl Bobby from King of the Hill