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re: Armed robber was never told to report to prison
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:14 pm to Darth_Vader
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:14 pm to Darth_Vader
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But if you're going to use that argument, can't it likewise be applied to all the other men and women who go to prison daily and leave behind spouses and dependent children?
No, because they commit their crime while at the time being involved in a family. Being punished retroactively for some thing over a decade old is different
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Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:15 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
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Well, the guy who got robbed with that gun says he should remain free, so....
So?
I can do that too.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:15 pm to LouisianaLady
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I have no idea how I feel about this story, and I don't care much one way or the other so I'm not going to argue it (so don't try! I know you ).. but this statement right here is what zero tolerance uses and I am just really anti-zero tolerance.
I have never been a big fan of "we have to do X even though it's really silly and unnecessary to make sure Y never happens".. "to set the tone".. no.
I'm more in the "case by case" camp.
(As I'm typing this, I'm picturing school zero tolerance policies, but this can apply to the law at times as well)
In my defense, I said it before reading that the victim was OK with him being out and have moved towards being OK with him out. I agree about zero tolerance policies, although I don't think it really applies to a convicted felon.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:15 pm to boom roasted
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How is it "likely"? You're assuming the worst.
I admit that I am. I do like the community service ideas some have posted. The only reason I am not on the bandwagon is that I am skeptical of blindly believing that article. If it turns out to be true I would say take the community service route.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:15 pm to LouisianaLady
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I have no idea how I feel about this story, and I don't care much one way or the other so I'm not going to argue it (so don't try! I know you ).. but this statement right here is what zero tolerance uses and I am just really anti-zero tolerance.
Ya, the DA stated this may create a "slippery slope."
A slippery slope of what, y'all being dumbasses and not assigning convicts to prisons?
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:16 pm to OnTheBrink
quote:Not really. A judge doesn't factor how much family a defendant has or when he acquired that family at sentencing.
When the crime happened, he was a single man, or at least not with the woman he is with now, or the child. So, a little different.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:16 pm to SuperSoakher
They should have just told him to stand by for sentencing and forget about it again.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:16 pm to OnTheBrink
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When the crime happened, he was a single man, or at least not with the woman he is with now, or the child. So, a little different.
I don't think that should have too much bearing honestly.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:16 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
He doesn't want to set a precedent. I think most of us would agree sending this guy to prison at this point would be wrong, because if how his life turned out.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:17 pm to CaptainsWafer
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I don't think he should be locked up either at this point because if how his life turned around. However, he still robbed someone. I hope he gets community service at worst, but he still robbed someone. That set this course of events in motion years ago.
This is where I am I think, especially given the way the victim feels. Pardon him, give him community service and let everyone move on with life.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:18 pm to boom roasted
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A judge doesn't factor how much family a defendant has or when he acquired that family at sentencing.
Sure they do. Women especially are often given lighter sentences if they have kids.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:18 pm to windshieldman
The way I see it, prisons are (supposedly) for:
1)Punishment
2)Deterrence
3)Rehabilitation (
)
1. He wasn't punished, however, the actual victim is OK with that.
2. I don't think any one else is going to commit crimes hoping the DA forgets about them and then lets them off the hook 13 years later.
3. It appears he has been rehabilitated.
SO if this is all as it appears, what the frick are they trying to prove now?
1)Punishment
2)Deterrence
3)Rehabilitation (
) 1. He wasn't punished, however, the actual victim is OK with that.
2. I don't think any one else is going to commit crimes hoping the DA forgets about them and then lets them off the hook 13 years later.
3. It appears he has been rehabilitated.
SO if this is all as it appears, what the frick are they trying to prove now?
This post was edited on 4/17/14 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:18 pm to ZereauxSum
I'm all about being held accountable for your actions, and it sounds like this guy was trying to be, as best as he could.
However, were also looking over the fact that he didn't call the DOC and say "hey I'm supposed to be in jail." Although none of us would have either.
However, were also looking over the fact that he didn't call the DOC and say "hey I'm supposed to be in jail." Although none of us would have either.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:19 pm to Mizzoufan26
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State of Missouri told him to wait on reporting instructions
He was under their control, waiting on them to give further instructions.
I way that control ended at the end of the 13th year.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:19 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
quote:
Ya, the DA stated this may create a "slippery slope."
A slippery slope of what, y'all being dumbasses and not assigning convicts to prisons?
The prosecutor was in a tough spot here. He knew the state fricked this up really badly, but he still had to do his job.
They interviewed him on NPR, IIRC, he sounded very uncomfortable
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:19 pm to SuperSoakher
quote:
quote:
A BB gun.
The person with the gun pointed on them might not know that
It could have gotten lodged under the skin and caused a nasty infection.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:19 pm to DanTiger
quote:Me too. But the story doesn't really change if you take out that he owned businesses. Did he live a clean life after the conviction is my biggest question? And from this article, it appears so. Even then, however, I'm not willing to make a definitive statement yet.
The only reason I am not on the bandwagon is that I am skeptical of blindly believing that article.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:20 pm to ZereauxSum
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They interviewed him on NPR, IIRC, he sounded very uncomfortable
I would be too. This is a terrible situation for a DA to be in. I have the feels for him.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:21 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
I would love to here what the cousin has to say about what happened...
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:21 pm to C
quote:Although there's no way to prove that, I stand corrected. Even assuming that's true, I would think that would be off the table when considering violent offenses.
Sure they do. Women especially are often given lighter sentences if they have kids.
This post was edited on 4/17/14 at 1:25 pm
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