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re: Armed robber was never told to report to prison
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:04 pm to Byron Bojangles III
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:04 pm to Byron Bojangles III
I don't know where I stand on this.
ETA: I'm very interested to see what Missouri does here.
ETA: I'm very interested to see what Missouri does here.
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Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:04 pm to GetCocky11
The big problem that I see here now is that you're not just punishing one person anymore. Now you're punishing his daughter and wife who weren't in the picture 14 years ago. Now three people have to suffer for Missouri's frick up rather than just the guy.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:04 pm to GetCocky11
double post
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Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:05 pm to RaginCajunsULL
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Still needs to do his time.
I agree in normal circumstances, but this guy has been a model citizen for the last 13 years. Wife, kid, business. Give him a shite ton of community service and let him go.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:05 pm to Byron Bojangles III
There was a story about this guy on NPR a few weeks ago. Apparently, the guy he robbed wants him to be freed also.
I'm no legal scholar, but I'm not sure how this isn't an 8th amendment violation. Or why the governor doesn't just pardon him.
I'm no legal scholar, but I'm not sure how this isn't an 8th amendment violation. Or why the governor doesn't just pardon him.
This post was edited on 4/17/14 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:06 pm to SuperSoakher
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What consequences does Missouri have to face for fricking up so bad?
Good question. And to be honest, I'd say whomever was responsible for giving him his report date should be held accountable for their failure, be it some sort of suspension or even termination of their employment with the state. But just because some clerk screwed up does not means he gets off scot free for his actions.
Now if the gov of Missouri wants to pardon this guy, he's free to do so. But unless he does that or a judge commutes his sentence or something, this guy has got to go serve his time.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:06 pm to Peazey
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It's interesting to think about where he would be today if he had been imprisoned when he was supposed to be. He probably would have been out of prison for at least a few years. Would he be a career criminal? Would he be on his way towards being a contributing member of society? I tend to think that it's more likely that he would have been the former. I don't think prison rehabilitates anybody.
Good point! I wonder if his cousin who was involved too, served his time, and how he is doing now? Also, have to be hard for the cousin to be locked up knowing the other party is free.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:06 pm to SuperSoakher
This is a hard one.
I think it basically comes down to whether you think prison is for punishment or rehabilitation.
If it's punishment, he hasn't done his time and he needs to go do it. Crappy situation or not.
If it's for rehab, then he is rehabilitated. Let him go on his way.
I think it basically comes down to whether you think prison is for punishment or rehabilitation.
If it's punishment, he hasn't done his time and he needs to go do it. Crappy situation or not.
If it's for rehab, then he is rehabilitated. Let him go on his way.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:07 pm to ZereauxSum
quote:Because jail isn't cruel and unusual.
I'm not sure how this isn't an 8th amendment violation
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:07 pm to GetCocky11
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was a SWAT team in full gear really necessary to go pick him up?
Welcome to the new police state. He is lucky he didn't have a dog as they would have shot it dead and than charge him with assaulting a police officer.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:07 pm to Byron Bojangles III
I am thinking he has served his sentence. He was under the authority of the DOC for the full 13 years. The DOC just allowed him to stay at his home.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:07 pm to ZereauxSum
Scruffy says let him go.
The supposed point of prison is for societal rehabilitation. This man has no need of that anymore. He is already rehabilitated.
The supposed point of prison is for societal rehabilitation. This man has no need of that anymore. He is already rehabilitated.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:08 pm to SuperSoakher
And his decision to fricking rob someone is the root cause.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:08 pm to jbgleason
quote:I think you nailed it.
This is a hard one.
I think it basically comes down to whether you think prison is for punishment or rehabilitation.
If it's punishment, he hasn't done his time and he needs to go do it. Crappy situation or not.
If it's for rehab, then he is rehabilitated. Let him go on his way.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:08 pm to SuperSoakher
quote:
The big problem that I see here now is that you're not just punishing one person anymore. Now you're punishing his daughter and wife who weren't in the picture 14 years ago. Now three people have to suffer for Missouri's frick up rather than just the guy.
I'm torn here. He still "owes a debt to society" and all, but who's better off with this guy in prison? Like you said, literally everyone is either break-even or worse off with this guy in jail.
This post was edited on 4/17/14 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:08 pm to Byron Bojangles III
There has to be a middle ground. I don't think he should get off scott free, but it doesn't seem right for him to serve the full sentence, either.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:08 pm to RollTide1987
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I'm not saying the guy is innocent, but one of the main purposes of prison is rehabilitation.
That is only one of the purposes. If the article is accurate I would have to think long and hard about this but remember that this is one reporter reporting only one side of a story. The first misrepresentation that jumps out at me is the fact that he has "opened 3 businesses in 13 years". That likely means that they opened and failed and not that he is a titan of local industry contributing to the economy. Not that there is anything wrong with having a business fail but it does show that the lawyer is obviously painting a VERY pretty picture of his client.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:08 pm to OnTheBrink
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I wonder if his cousin who was involved too, served his time, and how he is doing now
I'm curious about this as well.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:09 pm to DanTiger
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How would you feel if you were the person he pointed it at and robbed?
How I would feel has no bearing on the severity of the crime. Threatening with a shotgun or bomb is ostensibly a more severe crime. There's something to be read in between the lines that these idiots used a BB gun to rob someone.
That said I don't really know the exact proper action going forward. What they did was wrong.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:09 pm to Darth_Vader
And if they give him a ton of community service, he actually sounds like the guy who'd do it and be thankful he gets to keep his life as is.
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